959 Autobahn; Interior Redemption; Pothole Problems - TST Podcast #847

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tickle in his throat he's a little sick we don't want to be spreading it around so we have the technology to podcast from home I'm at my pool he's at his crib we are talking about all the amazing old Porsches that I drove in Germany on this most recent trip as well as why my three trips in four weeks to Germany made me hate American roads we talk about potholes we're talking about Tesla scamming their own customers which we should be used to at this point we talk about some great questions on the patreon oh and we talk about me almost having a panic attack because I had way too much well not almost do actually having a panic attack in Germany because I had too much caffeine and I was sure that I had gotten covid [Laughter] a cruise show Welcome to the smoke and tire podcast hi folks welcome to my backyard and uh Zach's apartment Zach's got a little Zach's got a little tickle in his throat I got something you'll hear that yeah it's definitely definitely something yes definitely I don't know what he was doing with his Burning Man friends but something was coating his throat I haven't seen any of them in a long time I don't know what I did we stayed in all weekend but I just woke up and went oh that hurts that's not good I think as soon as you hit live it got [ __ ] worse for the five minutes we were on before this holy [ __ ] are you drinking some tea with honey or something got two honey I got mushroom coffee like awesome coffee you're doing that like the four sigmatic stuff now like is that the no I know but like that shot it's that chaga [ __ ] yeah but I looked at the package and it's basically instant coffee with some mushrooms in it so it's hard to tell if the chaga is giving you any kind of energy or if it's just coffee yeah I'm not sure I I tell people try to sell me on that that chaga stuff and I was like yeah like because when I was in college we used to slang mushrooms that was how I earned a living and we did this by grinding them up into a powder and putting them in gel caps and so now uh it took me a long time to eat any kind of mushrooms I ate so many mushrooms in college that I like couldn't eat regular mushrooms even a long time yeah yeah yeah yeah like the just it was close enough where I would like gag and now I've finally grown past that and I'm actually starting to enjoy like really good mushrooms now um but the chaga stuff being like dried mushroom powder is way too close to the ground on mushrooms or a slagging and so I can't uh can't do it yeah I understand that um but whatever helps your voice sounds [ __ ] [ __ ] yep it happens what were you actually doing are you doing anything no we didn't we didn't do anything this weekend that was uh like we didn't stay up late we didn't go out partying I think we like you know cleaned up the house and went for a hike maybe you've got [ __ ] black mold in the house dude maybe it's that maybe it's come inside uh what did I do last week I mean I'm sure I just walked past someone that sneezed and like yeah that's how this stuff happens so who knows I sound like Batman but yeah I just learned that everyone made fun of um Christian Bale's voice in the first Batman and so the second one he didn't he didn't do that voice they didn't post so it was like why did you act this way he's like you know I didn't I did it like this yeah he actually sounded like Alfred yeah in the second one where I'd we must have read the same [ __ ] Christopher Nolan interview or something uh oh yeah no it was like that it was that tweet thread that reached about Christopher Nolan yeah that's where I read it that all of that information flow tracks um but dude on my flight to Germany for spider RS I'm sorry we can't talk about spider RS on this show um I have some other things from Germany I can talk about on this show but the Embargo is August 7th so have to wait for spider RS but um you know I was in business class and it was it was you know pods it wasn't full rooms but it was it was pods KLM pretty nice but this woman behind me dude was coughing and sniffling the whole flight and I was like not happy about it and I just I just got such a [ __ ] bad Vibe dude I got uh and then the first you know nothing happened okay the second day we were in Germany which was the um the um the shoot the not no yeah the second day which was the day I actually shot the video it was you know it was pretty chilly it was like it's been hot in Europe but it was like cold and raining on and off all day which was good good practice for the top which uh we'll talk about in detail next week because on the last show we talked about how you actually put the top on and off uh on this car it's not the same as a regular car but you know it's the spider so you want to drive with the top down as much as possible and I [ __ ] forgot a hat I didn't bring a hat so Open Air Cold Wind whatever and you know remember in England like we drank like just an insane amount of coffee because everywhere we went to Goodwood had coffee and we were just drinking so much of it and same thing with this trip in Germany like just drank a shitload of coffee and the flow of the day wasn't what I thought it would be like we we drove all day it was based at this sort of like Eco Hotel out in the middle of nowhere in these swabian Alps you ever heard of the swabian Alps the swabian Alps are Alps in the way that the Santa Monica Mountains are the Rockies you know yes it's it's it's where it's it's where Andy proninger goes to drive on the weekends you know what I mean so like if you live in Stuttgart this is where you go drive and he wanted us to drive the car on the roads that he developed it on that he likes so that's why we were there um but the mountains aren't that tall it looks like right it's nice driving roads but it ain't Switzerland okay but but bottom line is we then we finished the drive and I thought we were just going back to the to the hotel and spending another night and then going to Stuttgart but no we had to go back to the hotel at like 5 p.m pack our stuff and then take like an hour and a half van ride to Stuttgart I brought a I had a big coffee for that after having coffee at lunch after having coffee in the morning after having coffee at the driver change swap like it I I didn't I didn't think about how much coffee I had had get to the to the Stuttgart airport hotel it's now like 7 P.M and I really want to work out so I go try and do some cardio and I don't know like about you but like when I get on a machine it's sort of an unfamiliar cardio machine especially where the instructions are all in a different language you never know if you're making it too easy or too hard like relative to your machine that you're used to turns out I made it pretty hard and I I could barely make it through like 30 minutes of this cardio my heart rate's at like 158 you know and I'm like dripping sweat and I just like want to go back and I and I start to and and oh by the way the air conditioning in my room at this hotel is not working so it's like just you know stagnant in the room and I just start to feel really weird and I get this crazy anxiety Then I start thinking about this lady on the plane who was coughing near me and I'm like oh God this [ __ ] gave me [ __ ] coven and then it because of the caffeine it creates this cycle of anxiety and like symptoms and like heart going fast and sweaty and not really having an appetite for dinner and want to go to bed but can't and like yeah I just texted Hannah and I was like I might have to be like stuck in Germany like I think I'm [ __ ] right now like this is really bad and I took 15 milligrams of Ambien and I was like because this is all I had that is that a lot I don't know what that's a lot is I mean that's if unless you're like a junkie like if I take a if normally if I would take like five milligrams on a flight or like 10 milligrams if I want to sleep for like 10 hours so each but I was five uh yes okay each pill is five so I took that's what I was like [ __ ] I was like down [ __ ] let's go down and I was like if so I ultimately woke up and I was also like kind of sniffly because I'd been outside in the cold all day but then like sweaty and hot and I was like I just I was like having like every feeling possible plus all the anxiety that I had now made myself sick and uh and as it turns out I woke up the next day and it was okay did not have did not have covid back to normal had a massive caffeine overload combined with being outdoors in the cold wet for 10 hours [Laughter] did you have jet lag and all that stuff too oh yeah plus a not you know nine hour time change yeah you know when jet like it's real bad it feels like the flu it like it really I've had that real bad before where I was like why am I warm and sweaty and then the next day was gone yeah yeah so it was so you know and that that was my third nine hour time change in four weeks so it was like really really bad um much worse than it normally ever is um so that one that was that was a rough one um long story for a short a short punch line which is that I didn't have coveted but I almost I felt like I gave myself covid you know you do this like twice a year you do where like you you wind yourself up somehow and think you're sick and it turns out to be something totally innocuous that didn't have anything right right I mean that definitely does happen and then it also happens where I really am sick and it wrecks my life for a [ __ ] week yeah um you got sick like a month ago right no it was it was a while like when I got covered that was like in February it's July man that was a while back what day is it man what day is it I don't even know uh so I can't talk about uh the spider RS but you know Porsche was also nice enough to hook up not only a tour of their secret storage facility which was [ __ ] incredible yeah like sardines right yeah um but it's it's race cars and it's special production cars and it's historic cars and it's test mules they're not I mean some of these things I imagine get thrown away but there's some really crazy test mules in there there was the first Cayenne test mule which was a Mercedes ML body on a [ __ ] on a Cayenne chassis there was um some the the water cooled the 996 mule which I put a picture of on Instagram is one of the saddest just looking cars you've ever seen it looks it looks [ __ ] up um and obviously it looks that way to disguise the fried egg headlights with these sort of pontoon fenders that are made out of cardboard but it just looks like Drew so droopy um and they let us drive uh some cars out of the museum some of which were significantly more special than others I passed on the 06 Cayenne they offered us yeah isn't that the saddest looking car ever the [ __ ] 996 Mule the headlights look like Fiat spider headlights where they're too vertical and they produced too much wow it's so weird looking yeah it's like it's not even like they put like 993 headlights on it like they put like 70s Porsche headlights on it and it looks real stupid yeah like just a Powertrain test mule yeah I mean I think yeah look you can kind of see that underneath the cardboard is probably a 996 ish body they just put these headlight extensions on they put these things that cover up the door handles and they put 993 wheels on it so you don't see the 996 uh Wheels which just makes it look real wonky and and [ __ ] strange yeah it looks really it looks like it has over fenders on but then yeah they didn't get bigger Wheels yet yeah it's really really weird looking um but they did um go to uh go to the the previous post on on the grams and you show some the the yellow car the one uh so they um they let us drive some stuff and um the stuff that we drove some of it was incredible so this yellow car which you can see photos of on my Instagram is a a one of one prototype um that they built for a 964 Club sport so there's there's a club sport package for the 964 RS this is not that this is a 964 Carrera Club sport so it doesn't get the 9 the RS engine but it has the RS suspension and weight reduction it's sort of in between the RS America and the actual RS um and it was amazing I mean you you know I really after driving this first off it had like 10 000 kilometers on it so it's basically like driving a brand new 964. um and it had bucket seats light door cards light glass light aluminum panels uh I don't know the exact weight but it was pretty it was pretty light and it really made me think about how Porsche Factory performance is really great because they can make certain things lightweight that would be really hard to make in the aftermarket and it was just it was a package that was really fast really responsive the inputs were great but also like the clutch the brakes the shifter were all really easy I mean like you could actually daily drive this car and it wouldn't be an issue like it's it's not super stiff it's not it you know it had air conditioning um it was comfortable it had Headroom and leg room and and the clutch wasn't crazy heavy and it just it had like 260 horsepower or so but it felt like it was over 300 like it just made it made great use of the power it had and it just was so like tight and nice like I I understand why people pay all that money for a 964 RS like that just that just makes sense but this thing was like [ __ ] me it's 30 years old and I could I could get in it and daily drive it now and be perfectly happy feeling like I had one of the best cars in the world like just so engaging and and fun that's impressive because I when I when I was there I drove cars from the museum and I drove the I think it was the 993 like RS the purple one and it was it felt like they were on their way to you know GT3 RS 996 right but in the Middle Ground the 993 felt too heavy too stiff the steering was really heavy yeah this is this car it sounds like was that nice light feel from like the previous generations right in the 93 they had kind of like a weird teenage year before they got it figured it all out right the steering was heavier than other 911s but the steering wheel was also a little smaller and it had wider front tires and that that may have been why but it wasn't like it wasn't like oh wow this is heavy it was just it felt it also felt very sharp it felt like you didn't have to turn the wheel each as much going into the corner as as other ones it was really really uh quick great um this white car was off the [ __ ] chain this car this white car it doesn't really look like much but this is a 1985 uh 3.2 Club sport prototype and so they ended up coming out with this car two years later in 87. this is an 85. so this has aluminum a full aluminum body with a carbon Kevlar front bonnet full lightweight glass lightweight seats lightweight door cards uh it has the uh Carrera whale tail and it has a 3.2 engine but with a Porsche Motorsport short shifter in it and this car weighed 2233 pounds so it was 1015 kilograms and it had about a 240 horsepower engine this car was a [ __ ] rocket this thing was so fast it was it was possibly the fastest like I think this was the fastest G-Body car like I've ever driven um except for maybe like an 89 turbo you know like this thing this thing was ridiculously quick uh I I was I was at first I thought it was a 3.0 and I was like what the [ __ ] have they done here B and then I found out it was a 3.2 okay that makes a little more sense um but it was so light I mean they pulled like I don't know five to five hundred pounds out of this car wow um and it was just it was sweet man and it had a 915 gearbox but with this Porsche Motorsport short shifter it was the best shifting 915 gearbox I've ever I've ever used um but this one really hammered it home for me that that these Porsches lightweighting projects from the 70s and 80s are just really where it's at you know the production version of this car in 87 to get one today it's probably 200 Grand plus they're very expensive they're very hard to come by and I understand why I mean I you know I had a car two new two years newer than this uh my that I turned into the Safari and it just didn't feel like this it just did not feel nearly as this thing was [ __ ] so fast 500 500 pounds is a huge amount of weight to cut out of a car and that will affect as we know every aspect of it breaking turning everything that is a ton of weight especially if you're starting at what you're starting at 28 and you're going to 22. and that's a huge huge difference like 20 I mean that's that's a lot you know and it's not and they're and they're cutting it from all over the car you know and they're cutting it from the high points of the car so you know my car had a sunroof it had power leather seats it had you know steel panels and this car has no sunroof Kevlar panels Light Glass so all of the weight is cut from the top of the car um and they gave us this really nice test Loop to drive it on which obviously they got from the engineers because as we're driving each of these cars is like a 45 minute loop it's probably 50 kilometers uh really nice variety of windy roads and stuff we went out we started from this this hotel in the middle of nowhere and uh and I kept seeing prototypes I saw like five electric Cayenne prototypes two electric Macan prototypes there was a tycon with a giant GT3 RS wing on it like there's almost definitely a tycon GT coming uh there was the nine new 992.2 cab we saw running around so like this is the roads that all the Porsche guys were using but that that club sport was [ __ ] epic and like I've I've now after the 964 in that car I've now on my list for eventually is own a factory lightweight you know 964 or G-Body car because I don't I don't think that that is replicable in the aftermarket folks we got to take a quick break from the action for game time game time is awesome it's straight up it's awesome I wanted to buy some WNBA 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the power yeah I mean the weight removal of the roof is really challenging uh there are some people have installed carbon fiber roofs on E46 M3s to get rid of this yeah their sunroof but it is serious surgery you know yeah that's what you're talking about is removing and replacing an entire roof is yeah serious surgery yeah replicate so that was amazing and then um I drove go back to the to the photos I drove the a super 90 1963 356. no seat belts which uh you want to think about every input think about the fact that you do not have a [ __ ] seat belt this little red car drove it in a pissing downpour yikes and delightful I mean totally get it I've driven a couple three for these sixes this one was probably the best one I've driven just makes a lot of sense I mean you just you drive something like this and you wonder why almost anything else you've driven from the late 50s or early 60s is just [ __ ] compared to this like the car handles really well drives really predictable this one had disc brakes the C this is a c you know they had a b and c the C's got disc brakes so the brakes were really good really easy to heel toe um you know 90 horsepower but [ __ ] 1800 pounds or something Have You driven have you driven a Ferrari or something else of that cost from this year era no I drove like a couple like later 60s Ferraris but never something from the 50s um my understanding is they don't drive as good I mean the engines are good but from what I gather they don't they don't drive as nice as these it just again lightness and inputs they just they valued that so much I mean these cars were winning Le Mans with like half the horsepower of their competitors um and you also understand why people who own these and buy these can drive them so much I mean there's no reason you couldn't you know this car is old as [ __ ] but I'm out there with modern traffic going a modern speed um Casey Colwell from Road and track you know we after we we were done doing these Loops we had to drive all the cars back to Stuttgart in on the Autobahn in modern traffic um and Casey Colwell drove this one back and hit like 120 miles an hour whoa you know in a car with 90 horsepower I mean it just makes it just makes the most use of it there this was on a d Restricted Section by the way someone else it drove the 959 back to stood card and apparently went 170 bucks in a very rare expensive car but I guess yeah to drive the 959 you have to not think about the fact that it's two million dollars and um and actually that's surprisingly easy you know because once you're in it um in a lot of ways it feels just like a 911 you know it's um don't get me wrong the 959 and I have I made a video with the 959 it was I didn't have a lot of time with it it's not going to be the the best produced video that we've ever made um Porsche is getting did What Porsche actually very kindly offered to go out and get some extra b-roll some car to car and some drive-bys of this because I only had an hour by myself with this car um I had I had an I had a little more I had an hour Transit because I drove it from Stuttgart to the home base which is about an hour and then I had another hour once we were there so I got more 959 seat time than anybody else but but even that is not really enough to make a video so Porsha agreed to go back and get some drive-bys and some car to car to fill it out which was very nice of them um but this car uh the 959 is amazing because it it really previews where cars were going turbo charging refinement insulation um yeah adaptive stuff uh and and in some in a lot of ways you know it feels there's no you get in this you go this is this is not a 40 year old car it just doesn't feel like a 40 year old car in how it in how it drives but in other ways um it when you're kind of driving it and get used to it it feels For Better or Worse like a regular 911 you know when you're just cruising along and that can be good or that can be bad you know if you spend two million dollars on one it might you might not be happy that it feels sort of like a regular 911 a bunch of the time um compared to a Countach or a Testarossa that that you you're never confused about what you're driving um on the other hand it has some very crucial differences from the 911 that if you you know you don't get to a 959 by accident you know nobody stumbles into owning one of these things it's that's the end of the 911 Road right and so if you know a lot about 911s by the time you get to a 959 chances are you can appreciate these subtle differences the shaved rain gutters and the aerodynamics of the of the car in general make it shock like Rolls-Royce quiet on the highway wow 100 miles an hour Top Gear just sailing down the Autobahn and it's silent in there and that's that was really really amazing and very different from the other sort of lightweight special type cars um sequential turbos uh most people are well aware that the 911 is turbocharged most people I don't know about most people I don't want to over generalize but but most people who think about a turbo 911 either think about the old school single turbo or the current and and 993 and newer twin turbo well the 959 is a sequential turbo which a lot of uh people uh like the RX7 and the and the Supras were doing in the early 90s and Porsha was doing it first um it's one turbo and then the other and so when you when you roll into the power you've got a small turbo that comes in from about 2 000 RPM to about 4 000 RPM it then dies off a little bit there's a little torque dip and then at five the second turbo comes in which is much larger and it's like a [ __ ] afterburner has been lit that when you hit the second Turbo uh on this car it is ridiculously fast uh even by the standards of a modern car I mean this thing is uh it's about three thousand pounds and it's 450 horsepower it goes like a [ __ ] and um second gear uh because you know it's it's got so it's you know it's got that g gear right the galanda gear so it's a six-speed gearbox but rather than one two three four five six it's G one two three four five and the reason they did this is not because the G is actually a crawl gear that's how they Market it oh it's got a low like almost like a low range crawl gear it's for the Dakar Rally Motorsport that's not really why they did it why they really did it was at the time I believe it was Switzerland or maybe Austria had a very strict sound test where you had to be second gear Full Throttle a certain speed and and you had to be below a sound threshold so so they just made they found a way to make third gear second gear right so if you drive it around just using the G gear as first it feels like the gear ratios of a modern car if you drive around using actual labeled one as first it feels like it has a much longer longer first gear and you have to ride the clutch a little bit and so um you can really drive it like a six-speed and just kind of ignore the numbers on the shifter um but that's an amazing loophole it is an amazing loophole and it's very creative and so when you put it in quote second which is really third and you get into the second turbo on third or fourth gear the way this car picks up steam is [ __ ] shockingly quick it's just it just goes so fast and the difference between the first turbo and the second turbo especially because there's that little dip in the middle is amazing and you know you could get you could get used to it really fast I mean the 959 would be a great car to to drive all over the country to put a lot of miles on it's really expensive to maintain these cars yeah the [ __ ] maintenance is real scary so you got to be a super boss to own one of them but um it feels much different from every other 911 certainly what the what the G-Body 930 Turbo felt like at the time this is a wildly different car um actually closest comparison would be a Skyline R32 Skyline where yeah you you know same type of afterburner levels of power delivery smoothness um and you drive it and go this can't be from the late 80s this must this must have been newer you know um the skyline is even more impressive because it was so much more affordable and delivering you know similar levels of performance yeah um the 959 is faster than a Skyline but it's it's definitely that same Vibe of you can't believe you you can't reconcile the performance and the refinement with the era because it's just so much better you know it makes my Countach feel like a truck um and it was soft it was it was really compared to the 964 lightweight compared to the club sport this thing was really soft it was and it was a comfort version of the car not a sport version but it was set up it's set up for long range it's set up for touring um it's set up to to to to drive across the country at 150 miles an hour and be ready to go to dinner you know when you get to the other side that's very very neat yeah uh I looked up the slippery going back to the quietness the drag coefficient of this car is 0.31 which is and uh the drag coefficient of a Rolls-Royce Phantom is 0.38 yeah so no wonder it's so quiet that's really it was really really quiet and that that was when I got on the highway and I suck it at 100 a de-restricted Autobahn um I went quicker than that I didn't do 170. um um but uh uh that that really stood out you know because a rear engine car is already quieter than a front engine car you don't have those exhaust gases that are passing underneath you and then a turbo car is going to be quieter than an a car and then um the 959 although the body panels are made of carbon Kevlar it's a full interior car it has it had the extended leather it had it was this was a car that was set up to be comfortable um it wasn't set up to to set lap records so the the refinement was just was really staggering that was very impressive but like the video is cool I got to go quick I'm actually I'm actually driving in the wet um and I get to I get to go pretty quick um uh not all not every mounted shot matches the road I did the in-car on because you know it's it's very hard to make videos in an unfamiliar location because you want to gather footage but you just you don't have the the convenience of shooting it all on the same stretch of road I had to shoot the mounted shots in transit I had to make use of the fact that I got more seat time than anybody else by getting footage while I was doing it so and uh and so um not every you know the the road I did the in-car on which you'll see like there's no Center strike it's like a really remote Road and I had to drive a bunch of the mounted shots there's a center strike and like it's just it's not a perfect video from production standpoint but still you get get to have a [ __ ] go in a factory you know never sold to the public 959 like yeah video video is uh is is in order definitely and those and then I drove I drove this 944 Turbo which was very rare because it was one of a very small number of Turbo convertibles in the U.S you couldn't get the turbo as a convertible uh in Europe you could but they only made 500 of them honestly like I know there's people that love the transaxle um 944s and 928s they don't do [ __ ] for me I mean they're they're well made they have you know they have nice balance you know in a corner but besides that they're just you know Porsches Porsche is so great because they do a thing like they're like a rear engine or a rear mid-engine car and they were fine and refined and refined and refined and refined and when they really put their best behind it it's an incredible experience that's unique and unavailable elsewhere front engine rear drive car you can get that elsewhere and and this car although is very beautiful in Maritime blue um and although there's nothing wrong with the 944 Turbo if you drive a great 911 or or a 959 or a great Cayman or a great Boxster and then you drive this it's just another old sports car you know I've never been in love with these they offer the performance of a great Miata or an 86 but they cost a whole lot more money to maintain you know the fact that it's a turbo it doesn't really feel very fast it's like 240 horsepower you know and especially as a convertible it was probably 3 200 pounds um not not an impressive power to weight the brakes were only okay the shifter was only okay yes good balance in in corners but but not not mind-blowing um nice to get to have a little go in anything that's very rare like this yeah so today you know if you drive a Panamera it's a front engine car it's doing something that Mercedes has done for a long time BMW has done for a long time which is what this 944 was doing but I feel like the Panamera is very distinct in how it feels not just like interior quality but they really it seems like they honed in on handling and feedback and all that stuff does this feel like they hadn't figured that out yet so they just kind of made a comfortable front engine touring car no they had figured it out compared to what other people were selling in the 80s this was a pretty good car you know compared to a C4 Corvette remember this is primiata you know so this is an 89 and the Miata came out in 90. so if you look at it and it's in historical context pretty good car you same for the 928 in historical context pretty good car if you look at the the front engine rear drive cars of the of the middle 80s it's a pretty good car and there's nothing objectively wrong with it it's just that now 30 years later a lot of other companies have figured out how to make good balanced front-engine rear drive cars and these cars being old Porsches are very expensive to maintain and to me the Driving Experience does not justify the maintenance cost of these cars uh they're they're just they're if you look at them in a lens of History okay yeah but the the farther we get from the mid-1980s the less it matters how it compares to other 1980s sports cars because you're not just cross shopping it with what's available then you're Cross Shopping it as a weekend toy collectible with everything that's been available since yeah you know yeah um so I I just I'll give him this it was comfortable uh it was very pretty in this color and uh although we didn't take the top down because it was raining most the day it's probably a nice little Cruiser you know that would be um you know one of those cars that if you wanted a big Porsche collection uh 944 Turbo cab would be a great thing to add to it because it's rare uh certainly in a pts color very rare and uh it would make a good part of a well-rounded Porsche collection my buddy Todd blue would go [ __ ] ape [ __ ] for this car who buys all blue cars because if your name is [ __ ] blue and you're rich that's what you do um but uh just you know to me not not a special Driving Experience considering this car would probably cost you 35 or 40 Grand minimum to buy a decent one and then I don't know a couple few thousand a year for sure to maintain it as well so just the experience doesn't justify it I'd rather have for that kind of money I'd rather have a great and I mean great like 1995 Corvette ZR1 um which yeah not built as well but way quicker you know yeah and I think it feels more special whereas yeah like the special Porsches are 911s for the most part yeah that's what they do the Corvette zero one like this is what Chevy did whereas this is like I don't know it they they needed to build something for that market segment but it's not their specialty yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't go into a McDonald's and order the salad even if it was an okay salad you should not you should get you should go to the restaurant that does the the one thing really well and then you should eat that thing yeah I got a chicken sandwich at a pastrami Place once and it was terrible and I was like yeah that's my fault yeah yeah um but man in general like European roads make me really annoyed at America you know between between Monaco our trip to England this trip to Germany it makes me so annoyed at America well you can great segue because as I told you before the show someone emailed me or DM me on Instagram this gentleman is a uh Road inspector engineer so he should love it he shows up when the road has been built or repaired whatever he's on the East Coast not in California but um and uh and he makes sure things were done correctly and he was listening to our podcast once once the repair has been done yeah or sometimes during to see if they're doing the process right and this is going to be rough um but he listened to our show last week where we were talking about pothole filling in California Los Angeles and how terrible it seems and I I think one of us asked like is this just how it's done is there something about you know German Road repair that's different than our road repair like is it earthquakes and he said and a lot of these are gonna be quotes it is always human error sometimes sometimes it is the contractor cutting Corners most times it's laziness on the worker and then he laid out the proper way to fill a pothole which there are instructions everyone gets these instructions it's to cut a square sweep or blow out debris lay down attack coat wait for that just wait for that to fill then mix it then you either seal the edges with a rubber agent or another tack coat he says I have never seen it done that way uh I tell the workers to do it properly they tell me they've been doing it this other way all their lives and I don't know what I'm talking about and it becomes a huge issue and then the area engineer just tells me let them do whatever they want to do he says the United States has Superior resources to any other Nation when it comes to Road building we have the best material Tech Road design collected data we have everything except workers who give a [ __ ] about the quality of the work that they produce and we taxpayers pay for a saw cut cleaned moisture-free pothole repair but usually someone just shows up with a truck with a bucket of uh hot patch asphalt and a torch and and he and he sent me like a screen grab of here of the instructions here's how it's laid out where he lives how you're supposed to repair a pothole and he's just and he said I've never seen it done that way that tracks that [ __ ] tracks that sucks because you know taxpayers are paying the money for it to be done correctly we have Engineers that know how it's supposed to be done and people who are getting paid to be there anyway so I can only imagine you know because so much I wonder you think they get paid by the whole I can't imagine they do they I mean they yeah and if you're if you're a government employee or government contractor that's in charge of doing this you must be paid either salary or hourly I can't imagine you're paid per whole not a gig but so like what's the downside to doing it right well a lot of road work is not a government entity it is a contractor that kind of appears like a government entity but they're contracted so like any business if they want to reduce their costs then they can go well if we pull out some of the material costs from this whole repair can we just use this thing then we are spending less and making the same that's right as a theory I don't know maybe if this gentleman hears this he can reply why people cut Corners because I mean that yeah money sounds like a good reason I mean look money and laziness are both equally valid reasons for not doing a good job yeah and who knows there could be there could be timeline pressure where they're like hey we need to get this whole Road repaired in a month and you go well we can't do the whole Road in a month correctly if we do it like this I don't know who know I bet there's a bunch of different things but it sucks that we are so close and yet we just the taxpayers pay the money our cars get damaged by these poor Road repairs and you know we put the bill on both ends yeah and you know I I I said to Andy poyninger um this is gonna this is gonna get in the it's not it's not uh it's not a driving impression but I said to Andy on the on the spider Drive you know I said I said like oh I got your roads your roads are just like so [ __ ] good here like even the like not great roads are still like pretty decent you know and uh and and and he was I think he he sort of surprised I don't know how much driving he does in America I know he comes here from time to time but it's such a stark change to come home from Germany and not and drive on California and I'm not talking about the Canyons I'm talking about like just the everyday [ __ ] roads it's just so bumpy and shitty and and and and uh poorly maintained um and also our system of traffic lights rather than roundabouts is [ __ ] so uncivilized and dumb I mean we were in England we drove we drove across a third of the country and I don't think we came to a stop I mean you know like and not just on high on highways or motorways as they call I mean we you can drive really far on a major thoroughfare road that has stores houses businesses on it without hitting a light like you just it just moves it's it's just such an obvious way to reduce time that you're just sitting I mean I wonder we need to research the history like why did why did Europe go with the roundabout to that spring from there Wagon Trail Commerce or something like that or was it just they thought it was a better way and then someone in the United States a different you know different traffic engineer whatever was like I have this other Theory let's go with flights instead I don't know I mean I I suspect it's something to do with our Urban to suburban sprawl versus their connecting villages uh philosophy of road building I mean there's definitely like lights in London you know if you go to if you go into a major city in Europe within the city there are lights it's not that it's not all roundabouts in the city similar to our cities but if you go to our suburbs we have taken that that philosophy to the suburbs whereas their Road system which connects smaller villages uh it just it and is designed uh for that purpose they just don't have nearly as many lights so you just don't have to be stopped wow I was trying to Google the history really quick but uh a study by Kansas State University found that average delays were 65 percent less at roundabouts than at signalized intersections yeah that is and not just the delay the time delays the stress because remember sometimes in in England we would approach a roundabout and there would be a backup there 15 20 cars at some of the bigger ones and yes there would be cars waiting but typically you know you'd put the car in first gear and you'd sort of move you'd be moving forward at five miles an hour you're not just sitting there stopped for three minutes and then you move 100 yards and you're stopped again for three minutes you know it's it's it it does keep moving even when it slows down a lot which I think is less stressful on the driver this is interesting I found a post by an actual Traffic Department of Transportation engineer um this someone asked them why we haven't changed to roundabouts and it seems like we're kind of stuck at this point because uh it takes a lot of this is quote takes a lot of land to build a roundabout the cost of which is not included in the cost above so in many cases you'd have to knock down businesses apartment buildings other things to install a roundabout yeah so it's well we're not made we're also not making that choice when we build new yeah New Roads it's not you know I I understand when something is I don't necessarily agree that we should not make it a priority I think we should but I understand but the fact is we're not making that choice for brand new roads either yeah so someone said that we're in Areas with heavy traffic signals are better because a roundabout could just end up with a gridlock situation like there's too many cars coming in at once to have everyone just obey the right-of-way um you know just depends on what number is required to to right to be heavy traffic right right um interesting okay uh before we get to the patreon questions of which we have a bunch um the couple things um well I think we'll talk about I've got a Fisker ocean believe it or not I think they've brought they brought me an actual Fisker ocean uh a running driving car um but I've only had it for one day and so I don't necessarily want to get into it till maybe maybe if we do a show at the end of this week once I've had it uh for for a few days we can we can talk about it once I've driven it more but it is a very real car looks like that um uh and the one thing that that surprised me about it was it was actually uh quite a bit less expensive than I thought it would be the one they gave me is fully loaded every option and it's 68 000 bucks which is in the Wheelhouse of a Maki an ionic five a Kia eb6 a model y it's not Lotus aletre you know it's not exotic it's not an exotic car it's not a it's not a it's not even it's not even really a luxury car I mean I suppose it I suppose it it is uh 68 000 is a is a semi luxury car um but it's it it is not it's it's uh it's yeah it's not exotic I I thought I I thought before they showed up it was gonna they're gonna tell me this thing was 110 Grand or something but 68 Grand fully loaded is not bad um and it does have some really neat design features uh and it does have some very strange quirks some of which I discovered in the first three miles of driving um so if uh if people have questions if there's things they want to know about the Fisker ocean uh we will have a video if Zach is not well uh enough to come out on Wednesday if he's actually sick I'll shoot it myself fine but there will be a video on this um interesting interesting car I guess you can call it a startup right because it's sort of I mean they had a car yeah uh before but then they went away for a while and now they're back and it it had a very startupy Vibe the way they dropped the car off with two PR people and two Techs on a Sunday is that a real startup E-5 that's what like lucidch when we drove that up in the canyons they showed up with the Texas extra cars with the extra cars for sure so um and actually I I'm pretty sure it was dropped off by Heinrich fisker's daughter um I don't want to like say her name but her last name was [ __ ] Fisker yeah so I think uh I think uh yeah there's uh there's something to it but um anyway uh it's it's the base price of this thing is under 40 000 bucks they've got the the rear wheel drive short range version of it is is under is 30 38 Grand so it's actually by EV standards it's it's pretty [ __ ] affordable yeah it is um so so that'll that'll be interesting um but speaking of EVS I assume everyone has read about the Tesla range Scamp which is um let's just say not surprising at all um we have been talking for years about the fact that uh Tesla's never seem to hit their range estimates whereas many other manufacturers are either estimating pretty conservatively and they beat their range estimates or they're accurate um and Zach's got an article up from Electric but it was it was um reported across all mainstream car media um basically saying that these cars are algorithmically programmed to show an optimistic number on the dash for their range in the top 50 percent of the battery and then once it gets below 50 percent as it gets closer and closer to zero that range number gets more accurate because even when you're being shitty about your range estimate you don't want people to be stranded and so um but the alleged complaint is that top management thought that it would it would make people feel really good to see a big number on the dash when they charged all the way up or more more importantly when they collected their car new from the from delivery to see oh 350 on the dash or 400 on the dash um right because then when as you're driving you're not really noticing it dropping that quickly or as quickly as it is and by the time he gets at the half charge or or a quarter you just go oh well maybe I drove too fast or maybe I was using the AC or whatever there's a lot of like plausible deniability your behaviors could affect it and most people aren't going to sit there with the cruise control at 58 miles an hour you know hypermiling it's now some do and they're not hitting the range either and then what's even crazier is that apparently employees in the call centers and the service centers were instructed to divert these complaints not accept these cars in for service calls because people rightly so thought there was something wrong with their cars I thought I was going to get 360 miles of range I'm getting 250. there must be something wrong with the car and so they would have this what they called a diversion team to cancel service appointments that were related to range um and then The Story Goes even further to say that if the remote Diagnostics found other problems they would not tell the customers about other problems so it was a systematic splecing of the customers um and I mean there are people and I don't think the people are reasonable but they say that I I [ __ ] on Elon Musk and I [ __ ] on Tesla in a way that is not deserved and then stories like this come out that pretty much back up the stuff that we've been saying for years that these cars do not do the things that they are advertised to do and that many in the media give them credit for the statements they make rather than the actions they take and that um this company has been valued way way over any kind of normal metrics of valuation based in no small part to these pronouncements and statements that when truly independently verified do not hold up to scrutiny uh uh yeah how how are they able to get an EPA approved range number that was you know very high so what what we've been saying in the past is still true there there are multiple ways to do the EPA range testing one of the ways the way a lot of people do it is by doing the exact EPA cycle that's how almost everybody does it which results in why almost everybody else has reasonably accurate range estimates but there are other ways um to to to do the testing and I don't know the exact methodologies but there's a uh there's additional testing that you can do yourself that accounts for other ranges other other types of conditions outside the thing and and other automakers do have the choice to use the same testing methodology that Tesla has but they just don't because even though automakers can be shitty in other ways they're not being shitty in this way um so they're uh uh right there on the story the paragraph above that photo uh design the range meters and their cars to do Tesla has consistently designed the range meters to deliver aggressive rather than conservative estimates um uh uh okay go keep going down it doesn't say um I don't want to say oh there we go go a paragraph below the Bold EV makers have a choice in how to calculate a model's range they can use a standard EPA formula that converts fuel economy results from City and highway driving to calculate a range figure or automakers can conduct additional tests to come up with their own range estimate the only reason to conduct more tests is to generate a more favorable estimate Tesla conducts additional tests on all of its models by contrast other automakers continue to rely on the epa's formula that generally produces more conservative estimates so it's it's on the one hand the EPA and the governing body has offered multiple options so you don't you know okay if they say three here's three choices and one delivers optimistic results and one delivers conservative results you can't entirely blame Tesla for taking a road that is offered to them okay fine is do it is it what I would do no but to to then program your gauge in a systematic way that that backs up sort of misleading results and to then divert and lie to your customers about what you've done now that's [ __ ] shady yeah is that the diversion team like when they would when they were able to sway a customer or just cancel an appointment they were like muting the phone and hitting alarms and and they're just very excited because each each cancellation saves Tesla a thousand dollars so it was just sure it was like a weird stock trading office where it's like yes we got them yeah the diversion team Boiler Room exactly yeah exactly yeah it's range room yeah and so so that's yeah um yeah and and it's sort of like what we've sort of suspected because we've we've been well aware that Teslas don't hit their range estimates they just don't and and so if you quote a range estimate rather than the actual results delivered from an Edmonds or from Kyle Connor or for many of the people that really do the range testing you know but it shouldn't be the consumer's fault for not doing all that research you know I I can't I cannot I understand why when the EPA sets a test and everyone has to do the same test we end up in the same place We've Ended up with turbocharged gasoline engines which are great at the EPA test but when you drive a Canyon Road using the Rev range using the throttle or you drive in Ford's case the EcoBoost twin turbo V6 versus the 5-liter V8 and the F-150 Real World Range a real excuse me fuel economy it comes out to kind of the same outside of that test and so I understand the EPA having some flexibility in the test because it does potentially prevent automakers from gaming the test but but unfortunately what they have offered has allowed Tesla to game it in another way I mean you know no one I don't think anyone would suspect a company would you know uh put an algorithm in their gauge calculator on the screen in front of every driver that is going oh it multiplied by 1.1 yeah I mean that's kind of like what it's doing um it's very it's really shameful I mean it's not that different from dieselgate right it's it's not it's not diesel flight was they were they knew how the test worked right and then they could change the the engine calibration when it sensed it was undergoing that test I think the diesel gate is a little different because it sorry the testing side of it is similar but now you also have a readout program it's like when when when the twatara tried to go you know set the new speed record and the detectives did all the work and they discovered that the GPS speed calculator was set to like 1.2 for whatever reason yeah they figured out they went oh for some reason this is multiplying the speed by 1.2 that's right I know the the actual the actual functionality of the dieselgate scam versus this is different but but with dieselgate the reason that it was discovered is because an independent lab not the EPA independent lab went how come Volkswagen and their engines can make this much power and be as fuel efficient as they are and produce as few emissions as they're producing what have they done because no one else can do this and let's figure out what their secret is that's how that's what it was so with this Tesla thing it's well how is the car so fast and offer so much range for this size battery well because it's not it's just it's it's lying to you right um if it's too hard to be true it probably is yeah so that's why now let's let's balance it out fair and let's fair and balance this [ __ ] Tesla has done something that is very funny have you seen the Indian Reservation thing no so you know Tesla in many places can't have showrooms you need to you need a dealership right franchise dealership laws franchise dealership laws [ __ ] suck and not that you shouldn't be able to have dealerships if that's what you want but I don't think they should be forced to have dealerships right you should be able to sell direct to Consumer if that's your business model Ed Ed what Tesla has done which is very funny to me has has gone on to Native American tribal land AKA Indian reservations in order to get around these franchise laws because laws don't apply there and that to me is [ __ ] funny so imagine you're you're going to the casino to Mohegan Sun or to Morongo and there's your [ __ ] Tesla store and there's a Tesla dealership wow isn't that hilarious it's like uh what's a guy who got arrested for the payday loan [ __ ] he was in Dirty Money oh yeah Tucker Scott Tucker yeah yeah I mean they based their business on native land because it's the only place they could get away with it for a couple years yeah I mean just really really [ __ ] that's that's that to me is funny like because in that in that case you're not in that case it's almost like righteous scamming you know like you're not you're not scamming your your customers you're not you're not scamming other people on the road with your fake self-driving software and putting me in danger on my motorcycle you're not you're not scamming your customers with range you're you're you're sticking it to A system that is fundamentally against new car business in general and uh and against direct to Consumer and and that the dealer Lobby is pretty [ __ ] up it has a lot of power over how cars are sold in this country and in my opinion they shouldn't and so this is actually a very funny uh loophole to get around this [ __ ] yeah so the article says that in Connecticut uh Tesla lucid and rivian were all trying to Lobby to change the Connecticut I think franchise laws and because they couldn't Tesla said all right we'll just open a showroom in uh the owner Nation it's at Mohegan which is really funny uh yeah that's where we uh in what when we lived in in Greenwich Connecticut back in the day we used to go gamble and [ __ ] up there um and uh yeah I mean it's um it's it's very very uh funny so so points against for scamming their customers points for for scamming the franchise dealer system fair and balanced baby um okay let's do a few uh patreon questions and let me pull it up I don't want to hurt Zach's voice so I will read some of them on my telephono uh Tony Rodriguez of course if you want to get in our q a patreon.com the smoke tire podcast get an ad free listening experience ask us questions for the live show and also only patrons will have first access to my TST notice collab watch only a hundred units the order books will be open this month I will send the patrons the email first um Tony Rodriguez Salgado says is there a place in California where you can Experience Unlimited track sessions without track day traffic uh private racetrack Country Club absolutely thermal Club Palm Springs that's that is a private race track Country Club and members can get out there all day every day uh Lucas wants to know about spider RS versus demand spider that is uh embargoed and we'll have to wait uh until after that um uh Dave coochie wants me to do more cooking now that I'm settled into my new house and kitchen will we get a patreon exclusive smoking fryer uh we could do some cooking content on patreon that could be interesting yeah is that what do people want do people want cooking videos uh maybe I don't know we could make one and see what the response is like yeah um Kyle as wants me to to help choose a motorcycle but the three choices that he lists the Suzuki GS XS 1000 GT Yamaha Tracer 9 GT Plus in Kawasaki Ninja 1000 SX I've never ridden any of them so I have abs I'd love to help you but I have absolutely no idea if anyone in the in the patreon comments has written any of those bikes maybe follow up on the comments there and uh help Kyle out I don't I don't know random uh Dustin says uh random thing I learned relating to Fashion Edition Vehicles like the Eddie Bauer explorers Etc AMC had a Levi's Edition Gremlin in 1973 with a denim interior I remember that thing and it was [ __ ] cool actually the denim interior was dope it actually is look at that look at that paint it's like almost like a slightly darker version of Ford's Grabber blue well it's kind of like Porsche's Miami Blue it's got a hint of purple in it where's the interior um I don't know is there a photo in the oh there's no for your photo no interior photo it's [ __ ] denim I mean it's blue jeans it is it is pretty cool I mean he should I don't know but he really should um that is very neat uh uh let's see uh Dre in Houston says I'm a huge car Enthusiast obviously since I'm here but I'm also an aviation nerd uh I have 1K status with United and I'm sure you guys have whatever the equivalent is with Delta that's true Diamond baby Diamond status I have I have over a million miles on on uh on my Delta account right now and I'm almost that's like what they call mqms which is like uh the miles that you can use to like buy flights and [ __ ] but I have 770 000 flown miles and uh you get some kind of permanent lifetime status when you get to a million flown miles whoa so uh anyway Dre's question is with the amount of travel you all do is there any amount of enthusiasm or interest in aviation or is it an arduous means to an end I have tried to care because so many of our friends in this industry like Sam Smith and JF mutual and Camden Thrasher like they love planes even commercial planes they can walk up to the plane and go oh we're on the 767 and I just can't care I just can't bring I just I respect the engineering Marvel that is commercial flight but I just do not care it's like a bus from I yeah I agree impressive bus yeah I I about if we're talking about commercial Aviation I don't really care that much I think I mean there are some planes I like flying on more than others very true um and um I really like 787s I really like seven four sevens I really like uh Airbus a380s if we're talking about international travel um and I I've never booked or not booked a flight based on the type of aircraft it was on um but it's there's some a little bit of nerdery to be found there I mean I I would love to find the time and energy to get into private Aviation I mean not like Gulf streams I mean like flying a little propeller plane around because the people that I know who do it seem to enjoy it so much but I just I don't have the time the money the energy to to put towards that um with my work schedule um yeah I'd love flying if it was all [ __ ] PJs everywhere but PJs are very bad for the [ __ ] world that's why I don't fly on private chances because they're bad for the world um Lucas announced uh says that Koenigsegg announced there will be both three cylinder and eight cylinder versions of the Gamera who is the base model Gamera marketed to a hundred millionaires I'm curious if the take rate will be on the take rate on the 8 V8 I think will be 90 percent my guess is China or possibly somewhere with a heavy tax on vehicles over two liters because the three cylinder is a two liter engine or it's a sub 2-liter engine and when a car is like three million bucks it might be it could be a big number maybe I think I I assume if you're buying a three million dollar car you know one you're you could pay the taxes but you're also really good at avoiding them probably so you'll figure out a way to do that yeah I just think the V8 is so exciting that everyone's gonna order that thing but you have a good that's a good point it is and I suspect they offered the V8 later because people weren't super stoked about paying all that money for a three cylinder um that would be my guess um and maybe they the maybe the initial orders weren't as strong as they hoped and so they went okay fine we'll do the [ __ ] V8 and then and then people were in um Suzuki Lukey thoughts on the 2015 Camaro Z28 I remember hearing a bunch about it when it came out but I feel like I've heard no one mention it for years I mean that's because it's not old enough to be a classic collectible yet um but it's a fantastic car I mean yeah a great car for track driving fast driving it's really Exquisite but you know it's eight years old so it's in the valley right it's in the valley where it's not a collectible yet but it's not as exciting I mean the zl11le that they were selling up until you know a year ago or two years ago had a lot more power and basically the same chassis stuff that the Z28 had so it it did perform better and had more modern conveniences in it but the 2015 Z28 is probably a great Buy and Hold I think they're in the 30 40 000 range just get one with air conditioning I mean it's got an LS7 an air conditioning delete was a no-cost option some people went for that hey you just get the [ __ ] air conditioner um it's like 30 dozens it doesn't affect the power really um but yeah it's probably I agree uh lukei that it's probably not discussed as much as it could be and is an amazing driver's car 404 user not found says uh for a budget of around a thousand dollars for a watch would you recommend uh an automatic movement from someone like Hamilton or a quartz something like Citizen Eco Drive I mean I for the most part like watches in great part because of the Machinery of the watches um quartz doesn't really interest me I only own one quartz watch and it's the the Carl Ruiz watch and I I like that watch but I I own it and I love it for reasons that are completely unrelated to the movement even though it's a grand Seiko courts which is as good as quartz gets I I would for me buying a watch is a mechanical thing is very important um typically and The Citizen Eco Drive stuff or any quartz or solar watch Seiko solar stuff is cool um it's great in terms of being a tool watch you never have to wind it you never have to set it the solar stuff you never even have to change the battery it's a true throw it on and don't think about it kind of thing and so if that's what you're looking for out of a watch never really have to wind it never really have to set it never really have to do anything besides put it on uh great great products um but that's not why I love watches and if you love watches because of their connections to engineering and Machinery I would say get the automatic see uh Ted Theo Logan says do you guys use adaptive cruise control regularly I spent a thousand miles in my wife's Mazda 3 and I don't think I like it or have a use case for it what yeah I mean I use it all the time yeah all the time maybe traffic doesn't vary in speed very much where Ted lives but around here if it does yeah if I'm if I'm going more than 10 or 15 miles on the freeway I'm using it um I guess it depends if your if your car has a good system or not I don't really recall it's been probably two or three years since I've driven a Mazda 3 so I I can't really remember but in for instance my electric Ford um which is a very good system if I'm on the highway at all really I'm setting that setting it at 80 and following the car in front of me at a reasonable distance and not touching pedals just just steering and and I really like it um it's great I've I've used it on short drives I've used it on long drives and and if you're using a system that is good yeah awesome right yeah I completely agree um Dante says what are some unique Road designs you've experienced in the U.S or abroad examples include the Michigan left or the New Jersey jug handles where those are those are two good examples uh uh Michigan laughs [ __ ] suck I hate those Michigan lefts they're dumb I I I I'm sure there's a good traffic flow related reason for them but God do I hate those yeah basically you can't turn left at the light you have to go past it do a U-turn in a special special lane and then you make it right um in Texas they have those it's similar to a Michigan left but they have those The Divided overpasses where you have like the the u-turn you know Lane it's like those big Service Roads right like three lanes and then you've got the I'm making a left and then you've got the I'm making a U-turn and they're divided and you gotta you gotta make that choice well before you get there I don't love those those aren't so great um it's very rare that I see a unique Road design that is good [ __ ] Dubai Dubai without like a really good GPS is a nightmare um yeah those the Texas U-turn yeah yeah those are not great everything's a freeway in Texas basically yeah it's like an exit uh Dubai the sign the signs when you're merging from freeways don't say uh Route 12 North and South they only say the cities where it terminates and so if you're not going to either of those cities and it doesn't always go the way you think it's going to go like they'll go one and then they'll cross and you'll end up doing having to do a whole lap of the [ __ ] City it's nice but if you're visiting and you don't know what that city is where it terminates you're like which direction is that if you're trying to go I haven't been in a long time but at the last time I was there which was 2015 the government owned the Telecom and it was very expensive for foreigners to use data and so it was like prohibitively expensive to use my cell phone as GPS at that time I hope it's been changed since then I forgot did you see this story we're on Instagram uh you know when you're on the 110 heading east and you have to get on I-5 North and it's not weird you have to be so for people who aren't from here it's a very weird somewhat dangerous exit it's like you have to be in the left lane only it is a very sudden left turn from a 65 mile per hour Highway onto like a downhill ski slope Switchback type thing right so for a long time there was no sign that said that was the exit it just would say five north this direction but oh you you mean the guy who made his own sign yeah so an artist made a sign and went up there in the middle of the day wearing a hard hat he bought at Home Depot added an arrow and a thing that said like this Lane only and it's been there for years and yeah Caltrans went oh yeah sure that's fine like it helps yeah so yeah get in trouble that's amazing yeah and also very sad that it was that story just came out again but I remember reading it 10 years ago on like cracked or one of those websites um it had been out there before um but yeah he actually just like he did it as is like a social commentary art installation but then they were like oh yeah good idea just she just seems like this needs to be here and it does and it's they left it yeah yes uh Sean Smith needs a luxury Coupe daily driver to complement a five-car fleet I have a model y a 280Z an MR2 and an FRS should I get an Audi RS5 a Mercedes C63 or a Lexus RCF uh probably the RS5 I think yeah yeah I don't like the RCF so much and C63 with the 6.3 V8 I mean that's that's a great engine but a bad transmission I'd probably just want the Audi r or the Audi RS5 [Music] um he's got a couple other very engaging cars yeah and the RS5 I think the interior looks a little bit more timelessly elegant than the Mercedes of that generation doesn't have Mercedes doesn't have the the old cell phone buttons like on yeah next to the dial pad yeah yeah it doesn't age great yeah uh Luke says are there any ugly cars that are fully Redeemed by a fantastic interior a denim Gremlin apparently uh ugly cars Redeemed by a fantastic interior nothing really comes to mind ugly cars I'm trying to think of like well new BMW cars yeah I mean the M2 has a really nice interior and that's pretty ugly or the M3 I haven't been in the new seven series but I imagine that probably has a nice interior yeah I would say uh all of their entire lineup could basically answer this question last generation Lexus LX like the Lexus Land Cruiser with that big ugly mouth that had a great interior that's true um yeah um Thomas wanted to talk about roundabouts but we already covered that um Andrew says thoughts on these manufacturers skipping the design of a dashboard and just putting on tablet-shaped screens uh we did talk about this last week this is your note Zach I think we talked about this last week yeah I I think there is design there just because you don't like the design doesn't mean that's not design but yeah tablets are highly functional there's something that we are now very used to and they're upgradable they're cheap and much cheaper than regular buttons and manufacturers are trying to squeeze profit out of these cars while adding functionality at the same time mean that that's just that's just what it is and I think the average non-enthusiast see the average consumer sees a tablet or a big screen as being futuristic and advanced it's only us [ __ ] cranky enthusiasts that well I don't want to say that because there's been some stories recently that consumers are souring on screens but but I think that the manufacturers think that their customers like screens or the screen makes sense when we are interacting with screens more and more with you know smartphone Tablet TV computer it it I feel like it's a natural progression for the cars to kind of go that direction and maybe we're learning they swing they swim too far this is a great question bad Gardener says be a lifestyle podcast for the next 60 seconds do you have cheap wines magic deodorants Etc or other great products to recommend that's a pretty good one actually um they're they've they're an Advertiser now but the Aeropress is the best coffee maker in history and we were using it long before they advertised what Zach you okay yeah I gotta do something keep going okay um let's see uh uh what I'm trying to think what else is in my house that's like amazing that I love and use all the time I have this little stand thing that is holding my laptop up uh like vertically and I'll show it but like this that raises my laptop that's that's really functional I bought a second monitor off an Instagram ad that was 350 and it looks like an iPad Pro but it's just a monitor that is powered by USBC I think it's called espresso displays and I'm now carrying that around everywhere that's [ __ ] great um let's see magic deodorants uh uh yeah I don't I don't I don't have any like great uh great products my mole skin notebooks awesome um those zebra pens they sent us are really great love the zebra pens um I mean a Frugal hack is you can uh mail out for a sampler of colognes from a company and they'll give you like six to eight of them and then you get them for free and cologne lasts a long time that lasts a very long like that lines up with the cheap wine I know cheap wine is hardwood I I feel like I drank something recently it was only like 20 bucks and it was really good air tags gotta have air tags they're [ __ ] useful for all kind of stuff um I don't have anything else that's like wow this was two dollars I mean I'm sure I do somewhere so great question though I'll consider that for next next show maybe I can make a list of the things I love in my life bring uh bring a water bottle to airports and you can refill it for free and save yourself six to 12 bucks yeah wife does that um Christian Pelfrey when will you review the Mazda cx-90 never just it just won't do well on our I mean maybe we could get one and talk about on the podcast but there won't be like a video of it just those those are they're not worth making Aiden Squires I feel like people have asked us this before ultimate last Drive road and car uh uh Swiss Alps McLaren F1 I think because I just read the new road and track uh I'd go Ferrari F50 and try and try that out somewhere and anywhere that suits that car uh Rd speed garage watched your video on the Gen 2 Ford GT do you still feel the same way about it today at this price is there something else you would choose over over this for long-term ownership well I I don't I haven't looked back at the thing I did in 2017 in five years I haven't really driven one since then so I would I don't know what I said uh I would buy one of those if I could immediately like they just they look great they sound great we know that the arrow is amazing the powertrain is super robust uh they drive well reasonably reliable as long as you you know get the four GT guys to come and do the maintenance on it like you mean he says he's talking about Gen 2 like the current one oh I thought well oh I was counting I was counting the first one from the 60s as gen one two has not interested me I think it is one of the most beautiful cars ever made but between transmission engine I don't know I never drove one though so speaking of us it was it was an amazing experience to drive it it's clearly clearly a homologation race car there are very few truly homologated race cars in the world these days and that's one of them I would rather have a an 04 to o6 GT because as a road car it's a more it's a better Road car to me so I'd rather have that and I'm pretty sure I said that in the video um the performance of a Gen 2 car is batshit but I don't necessarily need that in my life uh Micah Moore says how do you plan a story around a car you've never driven do you write both outcomes if a car is great or terrible do you leave enough leeway for editorializing on the Fly uh I write the first part of the video based on technical data provided us from the manufacturer Vibes and historical context we then record the in-car and if there is not an obvious conclusion with the in-car I write the conclusion after we've driven it right yeah uh okay um so jacia wants specifics on ordering uh my my special watch basically here's how it works once they are ready to take orders they will provide me the order link I will then post that link in the patreon feed which is where you will get it in an email you then want to buy it that day when you get the email that says here's the link to order the watch you should buy it that very day otherwise you might not get it even if you're a patron um we have 90 watches to sell the first ten are going to people that I know personally and who have who uh get priority and then patrons get the next 90. so you're gonna it's not you don't need to monitor anything else besides your patreon email that says it's gonna say here's the link to buy it and then you should buy it that day um okay wait uh okay um Greg says when on a long road trip recently and rented a few different hybrid and plug-in hybrid vehicles on turo to try something new I tried a Pacifica hybrid RAV4 Prime and CRV hybrid I love the cars but got annoyed with the generic Eco versus Power meters I understand that with hybrids and EVS things like coolant temps and oil pressure are not something to be monitored but wanted your opinion on what information should be on the screen you know those that gauge that Eco power gauge I feel like they just put that gauge there so that something moves around a lot remember like the BMW fuel economy gauge it just went back and forth and back and forth people like gauges that actually move a lot I think and they just put that there for that I think there's also some Game Theory where you can you get to play a game of like oh can I stay in the Eco range and it's like a weird little video game for you while you drive yeah yeah it it also is good programming for the driver you know yeah uh my Ford has a good one which is just it doesn't it's typically hybrids that that have that gauge the Prius did it first the Prius had that schematic of the car and it showed the flow of power around the car and everyone's kind of done it from them um my car just has the has the the regen braking coach so if you if you use the regen instead of the brake pedal and you you can use it all the way it gives you a percentage from zero to a hundred of how good and efficient your braking was so that's a good game come to a stop without touching the pedal it's like 100 perfect score I like it on EVS too because you just I like paying attention to how much of the power I'm using versus how much I'm actually recharging it by slowing down and I think like you said it coaches the driver to be more aware of how they are using whether you know gasoline or um charge uh Chris says does your foot ever slip while healing Towing this has happened to me a few times and given me a big scare never yeah perfect uh it's happened to me a couple of times yeah my foot has slipped off pedals yeah um I mean I would um try not to be at the limit where that's happened you know if you're if if you're driving on a public road and you're not leaving Yourself room for that kind of thing you're going too fast on a public road you know you you shouldn't be like threshold breaking on a public Road um but good Footwear good pedal placement um you know uh uh and good good foot technique you shouldn't have it shouldn't happen too often probably happens to me like once a year yeah I mean and look if your foot if you're if your heel toe breaking and your foot slips off your brake pedal you can always just jump full clutch and then just modulate the brake and Coast through the corner like you can just throw away the corner you know you don't have to stay on the gas because you have [ __ ] up your downshift or whatever like yeah leave a cushion and then have a plan for when that happens that you know leads to you getting successfully around the corner okay uh three more your Uber driver says I have a 2013 mini with a six-speed base model fun to drive it's stock but it's clean uh and it needs minimal TLC I'm planning to do some mods and even case swap it in the future is it worth further investing in this car to make it my own and enjoy it or should I sell it as is and go all in for an NC Miata or gr-86 and enjoy a rear-wheel drive experience I've never owned a manual rear wheel drive car and I also have a forerunner I mean that's a that's a weird question because you're asking us to tell you what experience you want to have like do you want to have a rear-wheel drive experience like then sure sell it and get a rear-wheel drive car you you don't need a back seat in your car because you have a forerunner for when you need to carry around more people you know but would I K swap a base mini like probably not I don't know that doesn't seem like a undertaking that's worth doing um I mean I don't I don't think you should put too much emphasis on front-wheel drive versus rear-wheel drive unless it's an experience you want to have if you want to have a rear-wheel drive sports car experience the Miata and the 86 are both great and you don't need a back seat because you have another car would I do a bunch of mods and case swap a base mini probably not for what it would cost to do that you could probably just buy the Miata or the 86 outright and have a third car like if you wanted to K swap something like I would sell the mini and get a fit and do a K24 swap in that which would be much more affordable much more plug and play and you'd have a rocket ship yeah and there's going to be form instructions on how to do it because you're not the first one to do it right okay swap mini sounds cool but this so much of this depends on what is your mechanical ability have you ever done a swap like that before is this like your first project idea which seems way too ambitious um yeah there's a lot of unanswered questions right Ben says are you excited for the new Land Cruiser no I don't care I want to say it in person I'm excited for it no I don't give a [ __ ] it looks nice but like I'm not in the market so I don't care people that are Land Cruiser people are excited for it um I'm excited for the McLaren 750. [Laughter] um Leonard Meredith uh speaking of McLaren I need to replace the tires on my 720s the stock p0s were definitely not up for the test it would cup twos be a good choice or do you have another suggestion used mostly for spirited weekend group drives you do not need cup tubes correct um you do not need any R compound tire for a McLaren 720. um and your group Drive I don't know where you live but if rain suddenly appeared on your group drive with cup twos then you'll be very slow and nervous for the entire uh the entire Drive yeah I would I would recommend a PS4s Michelin or um I mean if you didn't like the Pirelli P Zeros you may want to go to a P0 Corsa which is you don't want the trefeo that's the cup to the the cup two equivalent but the Corsa might have some more grip I thought the p0's on the 720 were all right um they they they they definitely um if you don't think they're enough I would probably go with a Michelin PS4s um when you're talking about 800 horsepower that's that's really the best tire around for that um or or a Pirelli Corsa all right that's our show uh we are back live folks what tomorrow Tuesday 9 A.M we've got Jesse singer uh coming on the show from New York Jesse is the author of a great book called there are no accidents uh the term accident is used uh usually following the word Carr uh but but that is a term that for many reasons is wildly misleading and deflects a lot of blame for what causes a crash a death and uh and and also it's not just about cars it's about homes it's about accident-prone people it's about what type of people are uh victims of accidents what type of people are not victims of accidents and how that does relate to cars this was a great book um uh Jesse was on Parental leave and so I finished the book several months ago and uh but I've been waiting to get Jesse on the podcast ever since and uh really excited to talk to her about this uh tomorrow and so if you're watching live tomorrow Tuesday uh the first at 9 00 a.m Pacific otherwise or 9 30 a.m Pacific um otherwise uh Thursday for the rest of you guys uh send your tea bags to Zach for his throat because it's [ __ ] and uh thanks for listening we'll see

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Published: Tue Aug 01 2023