814. The Language of Children & Parenting (with Anna Tyrie / English Like a Native)

hello Anna hello hello why did I say it three times I don't know but I did how are you today I'm very well thank you very much how are you how are you I should ask you back how are you yeah not bad not bad you know it's January so you know uh still recovering yeah sorry do you suffer with January blues um yeah I suppose so it's I think it's um yeah it's more physical you know you just kind of there's always a cold lingering in the background somewhere always trying to recover from a cold that you got or you don't know if it's the end of one cold or the beginning of another one yeah you know constant sniffles yeah sort of like that yeah so I can't wait for the sun to actually come back whereabouts are you by the way Anna where um well I'm in leafy sorry but uh technically I'm within the M25 so you could say that I'm in London greater London although if anyone says hey I'm in London come and meet me because this is where you live I'm like well no it's actually a good like 40 minutes to an hour for me to get into Central London um but yeah I'm great London on the outskirts of Surrey okay cold yeah it's like probably slightly colder than it is for me being just a few degrees south of of where you are yeah in all Paris in Paris yeah where it's gray and um everyone's on strike today by the way oh fun surprise surprise I mean you know that's not a rare occurrence but everyone's on strike so all the like loads and loads of train um like uh Metro lines are all closed so it's impossible to go out I was supposed to be teaching this morning at the British Council that got canceled everything just got canceled my daughter couldn't go to school so it's just one of those these things happen sometimes here you'll just have a day where just everything notes like no everyone just goes bad no and no one does anything so it's kind of one of those days and they're good for catching Youngs I think quite good for getting on on top of old old projects and things that need sorting out yeah like a little mini one-day lockdown kind of situation yeah um so uh all right another question for you where where are you from originally just out of interest uh so originally I'm from the north of England A Long Way North from here I was born in a place called Southport where they have a really big beach and no sea well there is C but you have to walk a very long way to see the sea um it's kind of like a I don't even there must be a name for it whether there's like an inlet and it's still Coastal but it's When the tide goes out it goes a long way out um and you can see Liverpool across the water so that's the kind of area that we're talking about uh Liverpool and blackpools along the coast um and I was born there but spent most of my youth in Manchester so yeah I've always been kind of drawn to the cities I went from Manchester to Birmingham to study at University and then ended up in in London studying my masters in London uh and just kind of stayed down here it's a little bit warmer and a little less wet yeah okay um maybe some slight traces of that sort of Northwestern accent yeah as well that you have yeah slightly where are you from in the UK so I'm from both West London and the West Midlands if it's possible to be from two places at the same time right okay like Schrodinger's a cat um that's a weird why did I say that I don't know schrodigger's cat is the thing where it's like there's a cat in a box and um physics students will know it's like somehow the cat both exists and doesn't exist inside this place at the same time right so it's it's possible it's like quantum physics that something can be in one place and yet not be in that place simultaneously so I'm simultaneously from West London and the West Midlands but it's not like schroding his cat because it's actually quite simple so we we lived in um in London for the first 10 years of my life and then moved to the West Midlands for the next 10 years of my life there you go very nice I used to have a flat that in uh I always have to do the never eat shredded wheat in West London you know that and never eaten it never eats Shredded Wheat north east south west north NorthEast Southwest never eat Shredded Wheat Shredded Wheat being a breakfast cereal yeah it's what we used to do as kids to try and remember our north east south and west so I used to have a flat in West London um that was the front door was Brentford and the guard and the back Garden was South Ealing which is obviously a little bit more Posh and so depending on who I was talking to when they'd say where where were you living I'd be like Oh I'm in South Ealing but really the garden yeah we're just like where where'd you live I just moved let me just move to the back of the house I mean I live in Ealing yeah yeah I am from Ealing as well yeah that's where we used to live um West Ealing I don't know if that's even more Posh probably less well I mean it's West isn't it moving out towards the Midlands so generally West in cities tends to be nicer yeah yeah and interesting East is East is usually more hip isn't it and the more sort of industrial slightly cheaper place but often a bit more hip and it's true in loads of cities that yeah which is kind of an interesting thing yeah I need to do some research on that now yeah I mean there's I don't know if there's any truth to it but there's one theory that prevailing winds would blow the smoke towards the east right and that would mean that that was the more polluted area of the city and so accommodation was cheap I don't know if that's true and so accommodation is cheaper but I mean the wind doesn't always blow in that direction does it I you know no I guess it depends where you live as well as to whether you get more wind or less wind would you set up a wind farm in that area probably not or just make sure it's facing in the right that direction you know it doesn't matter where you put the wind farm just make sure it's facing the right way anyway this is a very strange yeah and typically rambling beginning to this conversation but I really need to try and get this thing get this conversation under control so so Anna right um so we're going to talk today actually we do have a plan that the plan is to talk about uh children raising children the way we talk to Children the way we talk about children the vocabulary relating to child care and all that kind of thing but before that let's let's continue having a little bit of a chat because we we have never met before this is the first time we've spoken to each other and I just thought I'd ask you about your YouTube channel and your podcast which is probably what people know you for um and I expect you have Instagram and Tick Tock and things too yeah on boarded all of them as you do yeah I'll never touch Tick Tock it's just for kids and then you're on tick tock dance in a way pulls you in doesn't it it does it does um yeah so YouTube is kind of like my my main focus um but I've wanted to do a podcast for a very long time um but my partner kind of said no no you can't do this you mustn't do this you mustn't do it because if you say yes to one thing you're saying no to something else you only have so much capacity um and you know you've got so many other plates spinning that adding a podcast is just going to be it's just me too much it'll be the the straw that breaks the camel's back and um so I held off for a long time I actually recorded like five episodes um and never did anything with them in fact I should probably use them um yeah and and I intended it a long time ago but then kids came along and you know life gets even more chaotic so I didn't do it until I was invited onto a podcast with Lindsay from all his English and we had a lovely time I was like I really enjoyed this I really want to do it and so I said to my partner I don't care what you think I'm just gonna do it and uh and so yeah I've just kind of I'm only like 14 episodes in so really quite fresh to the podcasting scene is the is the podcast uh that you do is it different to the stuff you do on YouTube uh it is in a sense of its longer form it's much longer on YouTube the average video tends to be around 8 to 12 minutes so it's a short and more concise lesson um and it it's definitely moved into a kind of it's either listical uh where you're revealing a list of vocabulary or interesting phrases or it's um like just like technical grammatical kind of teaching uh whereas the podcast and what I wanted it to be what I hope it will be is focusing more on British lifestyle culture and just a little bit more talk ramble chatty style because I I'm a bit of a perfectionist it it buckles me it makes life very difficult because I want everything to be perfect and so I don't get anything done it paralyzes me um and so the podcast is something where I can think I have something I'd like to talk about there are a few points and then I can just in a very relaxed way just talk and often that will bring up you know some interesting things hopefully and then if anyone wants to listen to that then they can so that's the idea with the podcast it's supposed to be just more relaxed and talking a bit more about the culture and and British life and and me and my experiences and things like that yeah that's the great thing about uh podcasting is that you can do that you can sort of relax a bit more and uh um and just talk a bit more whereas YouTube it's all very it's all about maintaining their attention for the shortest period of possible because people on YouTube are constantly like I've got to look at something else immediately you know if that's just the nature of the platform isn't it that it's constantly it's saying look at this no no look at this yeah you know uh and whereas with podcasts you know you choose your episode you put it on put the phone in your pocket you've got the headphones on and the phone's like yeah yeah fine just leave me alone for a bit it's okay and uh and off you go so yeah great great good idea good idea to go into podcasting um and uh yes okay so your channel your channel on YouTube which I I'm sure that everyone knows about um because it appears to be a big success the channel is called English like a native so what's that can you just talk about the title yeah talk about the title has now we start laughing there because um well why uh what's what's up with the title it's great it's a great title but have you ever have you ever had any uh backlash sort of backlash regarding the title yeah so I think students of English won't will be none the wiser they'll think well that's a you know it's a it's a good name English like a native is you know people learning English probably want to sound like a native when they speak so that's a good name it's a good key word it's what I'd search for um but then teachers in the industry and something that I didn't take into consideration um sometimes would kind of Furrow their brow and be like hmm I'm not sure about that it's um some people would say that to say doing something like a native is um like like discriminating um if you're a teacher of English and you're not a native teacher it might make them feel like they're not good enough and that you have to be a native to teach the language which of course is not true so why did I use that as my title well it was perfectly innocent um I came into teaching English online and my initial ideas for titles just weren't available it's very hard to get a good title A brand name that's not already taken um and so when brainstorming I was thinking well what kind of lessons am I going to be delivering and aiming for now I didn't come from a academic teaching background I came from a performance background I am qualified as a teacher but as a singing teacher and as an accent coach and so that was kind of like my thing I was teaching elocution pronunciation I was teaching singing I was I've got a lot of knowledge about voice but not really about like grammar and everything and so I was like well natives don't really know grammar or grammar rules as it were so I want to teach English in the way that natives learn English so in a more relaxed kind of acquiring of language rather than having to study rules and um being very precise and the other thing was that native speakers we make mistakes all the time and in some cases it becomes like an accepted part of a dialect that certain grammatical errors like for example um what are you doing right now Anna as a northerner I could say I'm sat here chatting to to Luke from Luke's English podcast and I'll be sat here for a long time talking to him rather than saying I am sitting and that's perfectly normal for someone who's Northern to say and it's accepted so if it's you know you've got this this argument between what's grammatic what's grammatically correct and what's actually language in use what are what are people actually saying um there's lots of words that are mispronounced lots of words that are misused and it's that's how the natives use the language and so that's the way I teach I've tried to teach and try to be like you know you don't have to be perfect you don't have to know the rules just just use kind of language that will help you get by and help you communicate what you need to say um so that was the idea and also to cover my back a little bit as well because when I first started I knew very little about English other than I could speak it um and so I was like well if I made this mistake that people point out your mistakes which is fine and it's good because it helps me to learn to say well I'm just a native and this is how Native speak so thanks for telling me that we're all learning together um but yeah just trying to say I'm I'm just a native teaching rather than a technical teacher teaching and I'm going to teach you in the way that natives learn and in a more relaxed way so if you're looking for academic English I'm not the person to follow that was the idea behind it anyway very innocent sorry for putting you on the spot there but yeah it's okay it's like you know just these days that's if that's just a big issue isn't it in um in English teaching the whole question of you know native speakers and all that on all the rest of it but yeah of course like um in our first teaching experiences we always come across students who are always like I want a native speaker which is you know that's a whole other story for another time but basically you're um yeah so your approach let's say uh it's also about how native speakers learn a language and let's try and encourage uh our adult Learners to learn English in the in a similar process and that actually is my way of neatly segwaying into the subject of our of our podcast today right so you're not suggesting that people learn English to the level of a native speaker although there's nothing wrong with having that as a goal or that native speakers are the only ones who can help people learn English effectively what you're saying is learning a language in the same way that native speakers learn their own language for example how children learn languages so you see see what I did they moved it into talking about children yeah I've been doing this for 14 years did you ever listen to radio one with the was it radio one where they had the tenuous link was it I don't know I don't know yeah who was that do you remember it was um moyles Chris moyles the presenter and they always had a section where they would talk about like a fascinating fact um during a show and it would always be something you know like the desertification of Spain or something you know weird and wonderful um and then the next day they'd have a completely different topic but they'd say so yesterday we talked about this topic and then they do a tenuous link which was always a segment the tenuous link was a segment where they would spend 60 seconds and it would have to fill that time moving from one topic into the completely unrelated topic by saying desertification of Spain is all about uh deserts and deserts are made of sand and sand actually comes from uh can be made into glass and they just change and change and change until eventually they got close to the topic of the day I also thought that was really good fun nice phrase as well a tenuous link that's where you managed to link to completely unrelated things in a very sort of um in not a very clear way there's a very sort of um sort of weak connection between the two things but you make that connection anyway yeah when I when my first teaching job in Japan there you go bonus points listeners I said it again I used to live in Japan everyone gets bonus points whenever I say that um my first teaching shop in Japan um the the we we had a sort of punishing teaching schedule and I would teach sort of 50-minute lessons back to back like kind of nine of them uh back to back throughout the day with about 10 minutes between and uh you'd go in with your lesson which you you had to do you know the lesson which uh had you know you just chose in the last two minutes that you had and then you'd go in and naturally you'd start talking to them like Hi how are you today and then you in the back of your mind you're thinking about I've got to start that lesson though because I can't just keep talking for 50 minutes it'll dry up in 15 minutes and and then what am I going to do but if I start the lesson too late then um you know it we won't finish it and that'll be awkward so it's like right I need to five minutes of conversation just to start normally and then I need to find a way to get into the subject of this lesson that I've got in my hands and there's always like attenuate the number of tenuous links I had to come up with and we're you know in the teachers room we'd have like a tenuous link competition to see who could come up with the most ridiculous tenuous leaks from whatever the student had just talked about to ah that actually you know that brings us into the topic of the lesson didn't even probably didn't even need to do it you'd be like okay that's interesting anyway let's talk about you know shopping uh but in this case uh children right so oh yes yeah remember we had a plan for this right so um talking about children then okay so first of all uh how many kids do you have you have kids right I have two young boys a two-year-old and a four-year-old okay right wow a bit of a handful potentially yeah definitely definitely although we feel like my partner and I we feel like we're just hitting that stage where everything's suddenly becoming a little bit easier like we don't have to take the pram out with us most of the time and when we go out we don't have huge bags and loads of stuff we just have one tiny bag that my eldest son doesn't mind carrying so you know just drinks and a few nappies for my two-year-old and and we're sorted oh and snacks because they're always hungry um yeah but other than that it's it's relatively easy now it's just the sleep sleep is still a bit of a nightmare but uh yeah they're really good fun yeah the goal posts keep shifting as they develop so yeah obviously at the beginning when they're babies uh that's a whole specific sort of challenge of like making sure that you know when they cry what is it is it that you know they need a nappy change are they hungry do they miss their you know mummy do they need their little cuddly toy um and yeah and then as they learn to walk then suddenly there's a whole other series of challenges where it's like okay remove every sharp corner in this place um and you kind of you know the tendency is that you end up following them around yeah helicopter parenting you can a helicopter mum or dad yeah where you're constantly hovering over there yeah yeah which we have to try and avoid yeah okay yeah I've got one child I've got a daughter she's five um but um we're probably well the we're going to talk about um um babies and uh Toddlers and just young children um and so there'll be sort of references to all those different stages those generally different stages including a lot of stuff about babies and things which actually is uh yeah so for it's been about four years I guess that we in my flat haven't been dealing with the baby stuff but it's coming back because bombshell yeah my wife is pregnant oh wow I think it's the first time I've said it on the podcast unless I release an episode before this in which I mention that as well but yes so yeah we're gonna have another one in in July so exciting yeah yeah yeah so all this is going to be relevant again um okay so you've got two boys two years old four years old I've got a a five-year-old daughter um let's talk about talking to Children the way we talk to our kids um what what are some of the most common things you say to your boys be careful be careful although that is one of the phrases that I'm really trying hard not to say because I think if you say it too often you it just becomes just a noise to them they they don't pay any attention so I'm trying to be a little bit more specific with my be careful instructions so for example we just bought them bunk beds which they're very young for bunk beds um but I trust my eldest my four-year-old to be on the top bunk the problem is my two-year-old who is very confident likes to go up and down the steps and they're quite big steps and he he thought it was fun to start jumping off the steps so he jumps off the bottom step and then he goes up to the second step and goes big jump big jump um so I I have to remind him that's not appropriate and he might get hurt um but when he's coming down those steps rather than saying be careful be careful I'll say look at your feet hold on tight so I'm just trying to be very um clear about how to be careful rather than just saying be careful um I'm saying that I say that all the time it's kind of one of the family joke that my mum says he has said that obviously thousands of times and she always used to say that to us as kids but she used to say careful which is careful is two syllables but she squeezed it into one syllable careful right you know um and so I actually find myself saying that too I I'm saying I'm doing all the things that my parents and my grandparents would do so my grandmother I said this on the podcast recently I think my grandmother was famous in our family for going um if you were gonna pick something up it will touch something you weren't supposed to she would go and make these ridiculous noises I do exactly the same thing it just comes out um and careful and uh you know don't go mad that's another thing that my mum always used to say so yeah be careful um but yeah we have to try to we have to try to be careful about the way we talk to them as well because you can kind of sort of subconsciously suggest certain things with our comments can't we and we don't want them to become overly nervous right so um so for example if it's like um if they're doing something that's a bit dangerous we want to say you know watch out you're gonna fall but if you if you say that that suggests to them that every time they do something like that that they will fall um whereas you know we have to try and re-uh sort of reword these things don't we yeah it's difficult for me we don't want to break them we don't want to mess them mess them up before they've they hit adolescence and and go through all that crazy stuff uh I know what you mean it's like if you say stuff like um are we shy are you shy are you shy then you're almost you you're giving them words you're labeling them and they'll say oh I'm I'm shy I'm quite shy rather than saying I don't know how would you say instead you're not ready to talk to me today you don't know who I am that's okay or when you're ready to talk to me I'm here uh one thing that we were very careful with was how we discipline the children um and and specifically trying not to label them so when they're going through their emotional and mental development they have Tantrums and rather than labeling them as being naughty or you're being very naughty today you're such a naughty boy what why did you do that um I'll say I'll say to Jacob not that he has difficult times very often but if he is having a hard time I'll say I'll say that so you you haven't you're struggling today aren't you having a hard time today or I'll just get down on his Lum and say what's wrong if he's refusing to do something then he's just being difficult say what what's the matter you tell me um and often that would result in him just giving me a hug or saying I I don't want to put my clothes on because I want to eat my breakfast first or I really want to put my robe on you've got your robe on I want my robot oh well of course you can wear your robe okay if you don't want to get dressed now you want to put your robe on and be in your pajamas that's fine um and I found that's been really really useful to kind of move away from those just oh you're just being naughty labels to just asking them what's wrong or saying um you're feeling very frustrated now and that's okay but hitting your brother that's not okay so when you feel frustrated you can come and talk to me you can have a cry you can do whatever you need to do but you can't hit anybody and so just trying to treat them like they're like you would an adult but in a in an understanding way that they've got no experience rather than just saying you're a naughty child and I'm not going to help you deal with this stuff I'm just going to label you and give you some time out we need to do time in we do time in with them so time out is something that um is a discipline technique where you I'm explaining to your listeners now Luke this is good no I'm I'm loving this this is great um timeout is when you um when your child has been naughty or behaved in a way that you don't like you tell them they have to have time out and you put them somewhere usually in another room or out of sight for them to sit and just have be quiet until they think about what they've done and come back and apologize or sometimes known as the naughty step but you've chosen not to call it the naughty step yeah yeah so we have time out yeah so it could be time out it could be time out on the couch or in the corner of the room or in the hallway or like you said you could have a naughty step which is usually the bottom stair or something like that um we don't do timeout we do time in so we have some time in where we'll take them away from the situation and put them down somewhere but stay in eyesight so they can see us say look you're very upset right now your behavior is not acceptable so I'm gonna stay here and when you're ready to talk to me or if you want a hug I'm here and it's surprising how well that works my my eldest my four-year-old so many times when we've done that was be like no I don't want to hug go away I hate you or whatever and then a few moments later and I'll just sit there quietly and say well I'm here when you want me I'm here when you're ready to apologize you can come and talk to me or if you're ready for a hug and always within a few minutes he'll be like I'm ready for a hug now and he just changes and I think he he is now an extremely confident child he talks to everyone my child minder says all the time she's so so proud of how he behaves when she takes him out he talks to everyone everyone loves him very confident very polite and I honestly think it's because we are just so I don't know generous with our attention for him we you know sit and talk him through situations talking through how he's feeling um rather than just excluding him and telling him he's naughty because he's a very sensitive child he has a lot of emotions and I think it's important that you give him a you explain that emotions are okay rather than labeling them sorry this is a tangent again isn't it this is great you give them the tools uh that they need to be able to describe their feelings because but this does require a lot of patience and sort of wisdom from the parents to be able to do this because it can be very hard obviously as parents we lose our temper we lose patience especially when we're trying to get things done or when the child is apparently just not listening and the the what can happen is you end up just going you know just stop you just basically want them to stop what it is they're doing and you just kind of want to turn them off yeah as it were you know just just stop just just ah just go sit there and wait there because I'm doing I'm cooking you know and um but then you're just a raged an angry rage man in front of them and they don't understand that and they they they probably they're misbehaving or something because they can't communicate how they're feeling because they they don't know how to do it yet because they're only small so yeah if you say oh you know are you struggling what is it that's what's the matter what did you just talk to me or go and sit there until you're ready to talk to me you know those sorts of things yeah maybe you're equipping them with a sort of language that they can then use to express themselves and I I mean neither of us are child psychologists of course we're sort of armchair child psychologists but we do speak from experience of having kids yeah and and and you know doing these sorts of things uh but yeah it sounds great it sounds like you're having a you've got a sort of really good approach to yeah it works for us I mean we have a lot of children that come around to our house that aren't ours that our child minder will have multiple children at once and so I get to experience seeing lots of different children how they behave and interact and every child is different and you know I've taught lots of young children as well although I think it's different when they're in a home environment um but what works for one child won't work for another and it's the same even between my two children what worked well for Jacob won't doesn't really work well for Caspian so um you know it you've got to find a strategy that works well for you and for your kids and what you said about as adults sometimes we lose it and we're trying to equip our children to cope with their emotions but we can lose as well what I try to do is when I do lose it because it does happen we're just humans um is then once I've calmed down is I'll say to the kids I'll be like you saw Mommy got really angry there I'm I'm sorry I I should I should control myself better but sometimes I just feel tired and I feel a bit overwhelmed and and and it wasn't a great way for me to deal with that so I'm sorry and so you know I try and show them that I have the emotions too and it's okay and this is how I'm now dealing with the Fallout like I'm not just ignoring it and saying I can do it and you can't I'm saying I did it and it was wrong um yeah but yeah there's no no right way or wrong way to do it yeah of course no right rate no right well you know there are certain wrong ways uh but um what's what's coming into my mind right now is thinking about my audience all around the world and thinking I bet that there's people with totally different approaches and the culture is a huge issue here and and I wonder if you know people in different parts of the world have totally different uh ways of thinking about this and so on but you know people can leave their comments in the comments section can't they if they have uh you know things that they would like to say in response to what we're saying how has the way that you speak to your children changed as they've grown up obviously your oldest is four but that's you know there are there are stages in that four years of development how you know I mean even in a simple way have you changed the way you communicate with them yeah definitely so when there were tiny tiny babies and they'd give you nothing they're just you know wow even looking at you then you you know your whole tone you've got that pair and tease kind of way of talking haven't you which is all about the the intonation the pitch you tend to go a bit higher pitch you're like oh hello hi and you you really modulate you you have these big sweeping um tone changes and everything's much higher pitched and you really draw out your when you emphasize everything don't you really draw out your um vowel sounds uh and you it's all very simple it tends to be kind of just I I would always tell them what they're doing I'd kind of uh narrate what they're doing oh are you looking at me oh oh threw up oh dear you were sick on mummy lovely thank you darling um oh you've pooed your pants again you want me to clean it up don't you yeah yeah yes yeah just narrating and so you do that obviously when they're young and they're not really giving you anything back but then is when they start talking I guess I would repeat them a lot and try to clarify what they're saying and I'm just moving out of that stage with Caspian my two-year-old his speaking is really becoming Dynamic now it's it's really interesting literally he will go to bed and the next morning he can like extend his sentences by a couple of words and it's just fascinating to see that language development but before this I I would say that most of the time whenever he spoke I would repeat exactly what he just said to clarify what he said and also I guess we do it naturally to help them improve their pronunciation and make their sentences more complex so he might say to me mummy mummy deuce deuce meaning I want some juice so I'd say oh you want juice you want juice and you say yeah do so say oh yeah mummy juice please and so then I'd add something on so I'd say exactly the way he'd said it mummy juice and then add please because I want them to be polite um and then I don't know where the switch came but I think about the way I talked to Jacob my four-year-old and I pretty much talked to him in the way I would talk to any adult it's very natural and I don't know where that I think maybe because he's now communicating with me fully but I I guess the only adjustment I do make is that I um ding dong I've turned my Alexa down but you might still or you live in a futuristic house uh she um because we my Studio's in the garden so if anyone's at the door delivering Parcels it tells me someone's at your door do you need to go and get that no to get the door no no no um okay so what would we say oh yes so I the only change I make for Jacob when I speak to him is that I will use less Advanced words I wouldn't use words that I know he's got no idea what they mean it wouldn't help so I guess I slightly simplify my language but otherwise normal tone normal Pace just chat to him and sometimes he doesn't understand but he'll ask me say Mommy what does that mean yeah yeah it's good it's great fun it's also interesting to watch the way that kids will work it out from Context so you can you can you know I can we can say things to our kids um and knowing that they won't understand what you're talking about um for example I went to and then just name a place you know so you're telling them a story so I was you know I was on the way to I don't know what's a good place I was on the way to eating Broadway and um you know and and I missed the bus and that they're not going to know what eating Broadway is but they kind of don't need to know they just need to know you know lots of little things like that they slowly work stuff out from Context um and uh but also yeah so for for me my daughter as I said is five now and what's really fun is playing with language with her and that's really good like she came home from school the other day singing a song which was I like to eat eat yogurt and banana I think she I think she'd heard it at school I know this I know this one I know this one yet and the and the fun thing about it is that you change the vowel sounds in the word so it's I like to eat eat yogurt and banana and then you say I like to eat and then a different sound every time and she absolutely loves that yeah messing around with language which is really interesting the way that through play kids learn how language works and they kind of learn what the they can yeah I mean play is obviously how they develop you know they're just messing around and by doing that they learn the limitations and the what you can do and and and uh when language stops being functional and starts being ridiculous and funny and how you make things funny that's a really good fun thing to do at the moment and um really sort of enjoy reading her certain books especially ones by Michael Rosen do you know Michael Rosen yeah yeah he's the uh the language guy right the well yeah he does a he does a show on Radio 4 about words uh but he also um has written lots and lots of poetry and stories for kids so he did that book uh we're all going on a bear hunt yes that's yes yes that's a great that's him and lots of others as well um like loads and loads of them and lots of very funny poems he's actually he's actually apparently really well known in China because he's a meme in China yeah he videoed himself reading some of his poetry and one of them is like a funny story about having dinner with his family and The Story Goes basically so we sat down for dinner and I got a big fork of potato and I blew on it and I popped it in my mouth nice and the moment when he goes nice like that he does this face that little GIF GIF whatever you want that that has become a meme in lots of places around the world of just him kind of eating something and going nice brilliant like that and um so anyway him but his poems are so great because they're really full of nonsense like some of them are really ridiculous and it's really good fun to just uh realize that oh yeah you can just push all the boundaries and say all sorts of stupid things yeah and they love it and and um you don't have to be restricted by the rules of reality at all no no well it's like a dollar right so it's such expressive material for children and I think I think that David walliams is quite similar in style as well um but yeah Jacob loves playing with words and he he has a real talent for making up words as well it's making up names of things and but it starts to become a little bit of an argument in our house because he'll be like uh I don't know we'll pick something up and say the lipstick Mommy I found this I'm like all right okay yeah that's my lipstick is no this is a like oh it's a Kung comparison yeah it's a kumkumpa and at first we'd go along with it and then you say no darling it's it's a lipstick no it's not it's a kunker right all right okay if you say so yeah there's that whole thing of like everything becomes a negotiation like no it's but really it's not a compose it's a lipstick like no it's not it's a cucumber and you're like okay well and then you yeah you end up in a sort of a negotiation over the name of this thing it's like why why are we negotiating this yeah go out into the world go on just go and ask for a cucumber in a shop and they'll give you a cucumber for goodness sake anyway um telling jokes sorry um he loves telling jokes but the only uh he's got a couple of jokes and the one that he loves to tell but doesn't pronounce the word Europe properly um is knock knock who's there Europe poo no you're a poo obviously kids that age love poo jokes um he does that to people but he says you're you're up you're up you're a rap who so they don't quite get it but um yeah he loves he loves playing on things like that and anything to do with with poo it just makes him giggle there's a there's a story called hippopotamus a storybook you should try and get it if you can um and and that's absolutely brilliant it's a really great I love stories where it it really goes with a rhythm and it's it's definitely one of those it's all about a hippo who's eating all the beans this week and he makes the bubbles in the bubbling Creek uh and yeah it plays on sounds and and uh like Rhythm a lot it's really fun yeah that's great yeah and it's sort of it's about farting so the kids are like working out wait a minute the kids there's probably a moment where the kids like oh this is about farting isn't it oh I love this yeah yeah that becomes the rhythm of this huge jungle Musical that everyone gets involved with uh and it's all it's all the bottom of uh of the hippo yeah um okay no no I'm just trying to move on to the next I'm looking at my Google Document here so how can you continuous link a farting hippo to the next piece no I'm not gonna even bother with attenuously that's fine I don't I'm happy just like yeah and a farting hippo okay so um um I was looking at so in my Google Document I've got a list of um some of the things that come up little things about baby talk so you talked about yeah you talked about parentees and baby talk and that's just like oh who's a cutie pie who's it you know that sort of uh High intonation pattern and lots of um repetition and stuff but um so I'm just thinking about some of my listeners who might be out there thinking about raising their own kids uh to be bilingual and to speak English right and they might think they might decide to start speaking English at home with the children but then they might not actually have some of the standard sort of parentees that we have in English let's say someone who speaks Spanish as a first language they'll in Spanish they will do certain things with words to make them babyish or to make them for kids you know what I mean yeah like um often adding certain endings to words like eater at the end right um it's like a sort of diminutive form of a word in Spanish um and but how do we do this in English so can you think of some examples I've got a list of examples here just and if I start reading from them we that might sort of you've got you've got the the basic one which is mummy and daddy obviously when you're older mommy and daddy's very baby-ish because it'd be Mum and Dad it's kind of your just general way of talking about your mother and father but for young children and babies it's mummy daddy or even further back than that Mama and Dada oh where's Dada where's Dada dada's home oh mama you know yeah uh saying mum now and I'm like don't you dare I am mummy I am mummy until you're 16. unless unless of course the the kids are really Posh in which case they will call you mummy for the rest of their lives yes they're just weird aren't they yeah super fast people yeah maybe they have the luxury of staying childlike for longer I don't know I don't know you know the privilege of being able to continue to I don't know what it is anyway um but uh episodes yeah I don't want to open a can of worms about the class and uh uh Posh people and normal whatever so uh cutie pie so adding pie on the end of things yeah sweetie pie cutie pie sweetie hello sweetie pie hello cutie pie um that's always for names isn't it like terms of endearment yeah so I'd call I call my daughter cutie pie and sweetie pie I don't know why pie she's not a pie I think it's about making them edible like sweet edible like you're you're so cute I could eat you it's a bit weird but parents do want to there is that there is that is a recognizable uh acknowledged phenomenon we just want to hear our kids we want to eat our children oh you're so cute I could eat you yeah yeah I do I do kiss my children a lot they just they just smell so good [Laughter] um uh what else uh uh Cheeky Monkey is common yeah sort of thing that I call my daughter a Cheeky Monkey yeah what about going to the toilet what do we use to how do we describe the different things that kids do and I'm talking about the two main ones oh number ones and number twos uh we we say Wheaties and poo poos wee wee and poo poo yeah you done a poo poo you wanna poo poo what's going on yeah that's right um uh dog becomes doggy cat is is a kitty uh what do you call pajamas I tend to say PJs um PJs and I'm guess you're thinking gym jams or jammies jim jams yeah PJs jim jams uh uh how do we say it's bedtime uh time for Betty bows Betty bows Betty buys everybody buys yeah that's right um You to an adult you would say good night good night but what do we say to what do we say to Children uh night night or nighty night yeah 90 nights oh it's very cute my little one he still has a dummy at bedtime so he puts his dummy and I'll say say goodnight to Jacob Jacob very sweet so cute um uh sleepy time as well um kids like to have a blanket my mine don't no but they kicked the blanket off yeah they're very much and also my so my eldest he both of them were breast fed children um for quite a long time and um my my eldest once we kind of moved away from breastfeeding still liked to twiddle the nipples yes very uncomfortable uh and it went on I put up with it for a little while and then I thought this is just this is not it's just not gonna happen for much longer how can I how can I wean him off me um and so I thought well we need so I used to give him a second dummy sometimes because that's kind of nipple-like isn't it the teat of a dummy it's a little bit like a nipple that's the point that's why they they have them in their mouths and he would he would twiddle or twizzle which word do you use I say twiddle but twizzle's probably better twiddle or twizzle yeah either of those things kind of like play with play with it between his fingers yeah so he would twiddle the second dummy but then he would lose it and when you've got two to try and find in the dark what a nightmare so um then I saw that you can get these like Teddy Bears or little like Teddy monkeys or Teddy elephants that are actually then attached to a dummy like thing uh so it has its own little nipple thing and it's specifically for finding it in the night because all you have to do is find the teddy and it's got this dummy thing on the end and Jacob had a monkey and so it's like you've got your dummy you've got your monkey and you twizzle that and you go to sleep Caspian is exactly the same with his desire to be with me but he refuses to have anything else so I tried to give him a blanket which is called a blankie with a little one clanky or comfort blanket or a Comforter um but he he refused to have that and then I tried to give him like a monkey with a dummy on the end didn't want that um and he any Teddy you give him he looks at it for a second and he absolutely launches it across the room so he just throws it as far away as he can he's like no I want mummy so it's still a battle at the moment I like the way he looks at it for a few seconds like that's how long it takes for him to work out that this isn't you yeah well just just you know what is this thing that you've given me how dare you look up disgust no I want you hello yeah and searching for the for the dummy in the middle of the night is um quite something yeah because the the child wakes up and you work out what is it uh then what does they need oh they've dropped the dummy yeah and then and somehow those dummies become invisible when they fall on the floor yeah I don't know how they do that they just they'll they'll fall and roll just behind the leg of the bed where you know you can search for it for 20 minutes and still not find it and you know it's yeah you know you can get glow-in-the-dark ones that's what we discovered with our second child glow-in-the-dark dummies absolute Lifesaver for those middle of the night scrambles to find the dummies like just look for the light look for the light I think that's good dummy Vision yeah engaged absolutely um yeah yeah I was gonna say I was going to help you Segway um if the dummy falls on the floor I'd say to my my child um I go to put it back in his mouth saying no no icky that's icky it's been on the floor it's dusty yuck or yucky icky or yucky meaning sort of dirty and disgusting yeah yeah that's good um what about dinner dinner [Music] um yeah what about when when a child Falls over they don't hurt themselves they don't cry but they they fall over what do we say Daisy such a funny phrase isn't it oopsie Daisy yeah yeah I've got a friendly story with that actually um I Jacob must Jake must have been two so I've been a parent for two years and Caspian had just been born I was walking him uh along the path and I saw a grown man across the street slip and fall onto his bum and I shouted whoopsy Daisy so this complete stranger who is a grown man and then felt completely embarrassed that I just shouted a really babyish term to some strange guy oh my God yeah because when you're in the house with the kids all the time you just that that just becomes the normal mode doesn't it and then you go outside into the real world and you see a grown man fall over Whoopsie Daisy oh God did you get to poo poo a boo-boo meaning like a little oh we say ouchy actually for if you've hurt yourself have you got an ouchy so if my son has a bruise or a scratch or if he's got a toothache anything that's pain related I'd say do you have an ouchy an ouchy because I think boo-boo although I hear it more in this country but I feel like that's more American in general and then I feel like it's become more popular over here because of you know some kids content on YouTube can be huge these these songs and kids videos can have millions and millions of views and there's a very popular song about having a boo-boo to get a boo-boo um and so I feel like that's become more popular over here but I might be wrong I'm not sure of the origin of boo boo probably right I'd say you're probably right in France so obviously I'm bringing up my daughter in France to be bilingual and stuff but we speak English in the home but nevertheless like a lot of the standard French words for things do come in and so they've got so make big things big words in France that everyone always uses with their kids so there's dodo which is nap nap time okay sleepy time uh and there's a bobo that is a um an ouchy oh right okay oh did you get a bobo and so you know I end up saying oh you had a bobo it's all right it's time for dodo you know and um what are some of the other ones uh gute what's a gluteus sounds very sophisticated especially when you're right it's like something you'd wear I'm wearing Gucci today uh that's snack snack time oh nice yeah which is a an institution here it happens at four o'clock at four o'clock wow um Central European Time all French children are stuffing some kind of cake or biscuit into their mouths quite late isn't it yes you know it's the continent isn't it they do everything yeah because we're having dinner at 4 30. seriously dinner yeah 4 30. well so I see that's strange that you say that because surely Northern Northern is breakfast dinner is the lunch and then tea tea time right it's a late meal of the day so breakfast dinner and tea that's me as an author I say yeah it's breakfast dinner and tea yeah but down here in the South it's breakfast lunch and dinner yeah when I was growing up I mean it's again because my parents so my parents are originally from Yorkshire and then have lived in the Midlands and lived in London so we've kind of we're from all over the place really um and uh so maybe a lot of stuff came in from their parents so we always call dinner tea right but it was but lunch would be lunch right so when was so you didn't have any dinner but then there is a thing called dinner which we now as all as we're all adults you know more or less we have dinner dinner sounds more Posh do you think well if your vocabulary is breakfast lunch and tea but dinner is only when you're out with friends and having a an organized meal then yeah you wouldn't go out to a restaurant to have tea you know and by the way anyone wondering tea doesn't mean a cup of tea you're not like giving your child a cup of there you go there's your cup of tea do you want some sugar no um t means means a meal it's food of course but we just call it tea it's not afternoon tea it's not Downton Abbey you know um um a nice tea set yeah cups and sauces no that's afternoon tea which not many people do anyway um so tea meaning dinner yeah so we would have our tea at like I don't know what 5 30 or 6 o'clock or something and you know my mum would cook it up and then we'd uh probably uh watch a bit of Telly and then get in our pajamas our gym jams and then off to bed yeah Betty Bo Betty by Bo's time but uh but but dinner dinner is yeah I suppose it's sort of like a bit slightly later sort of thing the adults would have um yes but yeah interesting that in in different parts of the country in in England in the north it's breakfast dinner and tea and then South breakfast lunch and dinner yeah yeah but you still have at school you still have dinner ladies which I always argue so if you don't have dinner in the middle of the day then why do we have dinner ladies at school serving dinner serving lunch so it's uh nothing makes sense it doesn't add up English which imagine what it's like if you if you've come to England from another place and it's like wait a minute wait so it's it's you call it lunch but these women who are serving me lunch they're called dinner ladies what so what do they do at dinner time do they serve lunch what's going on in this country at dinner time then the tea ladies maybe yeah yeah maybe yeah um okay so we're gonna end this with a with a with a little quiz sort of a quiz thing this is where I will describe a thing so this is common words and phrases related to babies children and child care we just had like little sort of baby-ish sounding words like baby talk parentise kind of stuff but now some just some words like things that we deal with things that we have to buy and use when our kids are growing from babies into children right so um I'm gonna Define it you have to try and tell me what it is listeners have you got any idea what the what the words could be so the first thing and this is in this is in no particular order let's say Okay so the first thing is um so you've got a baby and sometimes you'll put the baby let the baby lie down on the floor on a mat or something and they they stare up and above them you put a thing and from this thing uh little toys are hanging down on bits of string and the chill the baby sort of reaches up to play with these things and play with these toys and it helps with their motor skills and stuff what would you call one of those things any idea a mobile oh a mobile oh you call it a mobile you call it something different well I was thinking so a mobile yeah that's for me that's the thing you hang from the ceiling and it hangs down and um kids like to look up at mobiles helps to develop their eyesight and stuff and I was thinking turn and they um they make music and things yeah they can turn and make music yeah so that's a mobile it's more of a decoration but these are the I'm talking about something that the kids actually yes grab and they and they try and grab them and hit them and and pull them and stuff you said they were lay down on a mat on the floor not I'm thinking a mobile is usually in a cot isn't it above a cop hanging above sleep and relax in their car uh okay so I know what you're thinking about now oh wait I'm not quite sure if I know the name of it is it called like a PlayStation it's not like a computer game I love that idea yeah just give them a PlayStation there you go Playstation 4. Grand Theft Auto 5 go for it um no I was so an arch like an activity Arch or a baby Arch or an arch toy so an arch just a thing that kind of goes over yeah yeah yeah and that you know this is interesting and this is coming back to the very beginning where you were talking to me about the name of my brand English like a native as a native I know what these things are I've used them but I wouldn't have known the name for it so if you said to me Anna do you have a baby Arch I'll be like oh what's that what is it yeah yeah and to be honest when I was making this list I was sitting next to my wife going I just need words for this quiz right so stuff we use with kids and I said what what do we call that thing you know where that or you you put the baby on the floor and you put the thing down and it sort of goes over the baby and then there are things hanging down what did we call that and she's like I don't know and um so I Googled it and looked on various sort of uh websites and and they're all like you know buy this new baby Arch I was like oh I must call it a baby Arch then but it seems that no one really seems to know what that is anyway so a baby Arch but Arch is quite a useful word isn't it yeah you can stand in the archway uh you can have an arch in your garden when you grow um climbers climbing plants that grow all around roses yeah roses might grow over in Arch if you have an arch over the doorway or something like that and also you arch your back as well if you're doing certain yoga moves you might have to arch your back yeah um all right what about this uh thing Anna this is like a little deck chair that you would put the baby in and the baby sits in the deck chair you can kind of strap them in and they can sit there and they can kind of go boing boing boing um that's a bouncer yes yes a baby bouncer now that's not the other thing there's another thing that uh um oh yeah that kids can also bounce in and this is where you kind of they sit in it like it's almost like a harness and their legs are down they're they're upright their legs are down at the floor as if they're standing up and there's an arch over the top and sometimes it has wheels so they can move around but then they are suspended in the middle on elastic sort of things and they can jump up and down boing boing boing so we you say an arch over the top that confused me they're normally doorway they're normally doorway bounces oh in the doorway yeah yeah you can fit them to the doorway yeah you suspend your child from long elastic on the top of your door frame and uh if you've got you know cruel siblings then they might pull the child which is what I do for my little brother when I was little he had one of these doorway bouncers and I got hold of him by the way so when no one was looking I was a terrible big sister I got hold of him by the waist and I pulled him back as far as I could and then let him go and just watch him just boing around um yeah mum wasn't happy about that one um I think we call it a jumper don't we uh yeah that would uh that would sound well I'm actually trying to find Googling it I'm trying to find the word in my list I wrote it in the list where did I put them in put it baby jumper yeah but a jumper is also a thing that you wear like a a sweater in America a pillow pull over a sweater no it's a cardigan but thanks for noticing did you know that quote no airplane no dumb and Dumbo when they're driving along and the the police cars like pull over I said no it's a cardigan but thanks for noticing right wonderful yeah meaning pull over the car yes but he thinks the policeman's just going is that a pullover no it's a jumper but thanks for noticing huh pull over no it's a cardigan but thanks for noticing yeah killer boots man yeah so in the UK we obviously don't use the word pullover we use jumper um but of course you've got multiple versions of Jumper it could be a baby jumper yeah so this in this case baby jumper that thing that I've heard that they're not actually very good for well they're supposed to be a bit dangerous actually especially if you've got sadistic older sisters and also they they may interfere with the development you know that that babies are not supposed to be upright in that position at that age they're supposed to be lying down and that's how that's the best way for their legs to grow and everything to develop properly rather than having them suspended in a in a in a thing in the door yeah although you know maybe maybe historians will discover that for hundreds of thousands of years humans have been suspending their children from elasticated things you know there's like evidence of Bronze Age Britain when uh children were suspended from Treetops I don't think so though um uh What uh if you want to go out and you want to take the baby with you you don't want to just leave it at home you want to go out what's the thing that you can use to carry the baby attach it to your body essentially a carrier a baby carrier yeah correct yeah is that right it feels a bit wrong announcing it out loud no you're right a baby carrier and that will have like straps that you can tighten a bit like a kind of a backpack situation but with a but it goes on the front and there's a baby in it yeah so that's a uh baby carrier but also there's the other version which is kind of like crap a wrap just made of fabric and you kind of wrap it round and the baby kind of slips inside there yeah which is and when you do it badly and they just get lower and lower and lower and then if you've done it wrong slip oh my God the baby slipped out yeah um uh that's called a sling oh yes of course that's that's what I was thinking of a sling yeah a sling all right next word what's what is um the thing when the baby's learning to walk sometimes you will you'll kind of build a a sort of not a prison uh for your child oh I see yeah but it's a thing to to keep the kid in one particular part of the room so they don't crawl off and hurt themselves yeah a pen a play pen or just a pen yes playpen yes play pen also um uh a fence which can be attached in the doorway you know and it's locked and the kid can't open it unless a baby gate a baby gate yes we have a baby gate at the top and at the bottom of our stairs and luckily my boys have shown no interest in climbing up on them but I did see a YouTube video of a a a walking child in a nappy so he must have been about one or just over one there were there was a doorway with two baby gates one on top of the other so the baby gates was complete almost completely up to the top of the door frame but there was a gap at the top so two baby gates one on top of the other um it must have been about five feet high I would guess yeah I'm not very good with my measurements sounds not quite as tall as me but quite tall and this child climbed up I mean they have such amazing skills if you give them a chance climbed up both of them managed to Commando roll over the top and then slide down the other side and when my partner showed me this video it scared the life out of me because I thought well if we've got a stairgate at the top of our stairs and they try to climb over that then you know they're going to fall down the stairs but luckily they never they never even try to go over or open the baby gate so if sure and that child grew up to become Tom Cruise or some sort of free climber or something crazy or a free climber of something yeah exactly um all right uh uh okay I need to hurry up a bit I don't want this to become too long which is what I say in every single episode of this podcast um okay uh what What's the what's a device that you can use to essentially spy on your child um I say that jokingly let's say your child is sleeping upstairs and you put something which allows you to hear them it's little microphone and speaker set mm-hmm it's a uh a monitor a monitor correct yeah I was just got a camera on it so you can actually spy on them uh and because it's got nighttime vision when they open their eyes the light reflects off the their pupils so they have these kind of glowing eyes and so sometimes you're just like oh the baby's very quiet and you look at the Monitor and the baby might be right in front of the camera because they've stood up in the night and be staring into into the monitor that's pretty freaky with these glowing eyes it's like let's just check up on the baby oh my God yeah or if because aliens I have it on all night and I because I'm a very anxious mother at night time and in the night as I wake I always have a look at the monitor to see if they're okay if they're covered up and things and on occasion they have in the night I've wake up I'm a bit snoozy and I look at the Monitor and they're just they're staring at the camera you know like Poltergeist or some scary film comes to mind hahaha that's good um okay uh what do we what do we uh um okay um when a baby or child is eating you put something around their neck so that they don't spill the food everywhere yeah a bib that's right um what is the baby what is a baby or or a young child sleep in uh mummy's bed no uh a cot a cot you would normally put them in or a crib I think but that's more American is it I think so yeah yeah a cot yeah and when they're very young it's a Moses basket isn't it yeah a little basket and you can pick it up like that yeah very sweet although In some cultures and it's becoming a little bit more popular over here they have a draw I think it's like a Swedish or some sort of Nordic thing they you you are given a draw uh and in the drawer there are lots of things for baby when it's your first child but then the drawer doubles up as a as a as a cot and you sleep your child in it I'm sure I'm sure someone listening will know exactly what I'm talking about yeah it doesn't mean you just put your child in the drawer okay good night then come on and just close the the chest of drawers where's the baby oh in the in the chest of drawers what yeah it's it's a Nord it's a Swedish thing oh that must be fine then if it's good enough for the Swedish and Norwegians in the Danish yeah and it must be fine yeah but normally it would be a cot although we never used one we did a we did a floor bed Montessori style oh which um which is supposed to uh what's the word encourage Independence in the child um is that what you want though do you want your child independently just crawling around while you're asleep well so we had what we did was we took the door off the bedroom so there was no door on the bedroom but we put a baby gate up so that they could always see out and we could always see in and we put a curtain up so it wasn't drafty or too bright and then we built them like a little house bed kind of thing but it was on the floor so it was a bed but it was kind of in like covered with a you know a roof and walls with little windows in and then one side completely open and the idea is you in there you put them with some books and you put a drink and so they don't have to cry out for you anytime they need something in some cases they put a potty in there as well if they're potty trained so they can just get up get themselves a drink read a book if they want because the idea with Montessori is they are just young people and if you were put into bed and told you must lie down and you must go to sleep but you're just not tired and actually what would help you is to look at a book for a few minutes or have a quick drink then they're independent if they can get up and do it themselves they don't need to call out for you for every little thing so that was the idea it didn't always really work like that but so that's amazing imagining you going in in the morning and let's check on the baby and you go in and he's just set up his own podcast yeah in there so oh well this whole independent bed thing is really working out um um okay what what Basics what do you what do children wear so that when they do PP or poo poo it doesn't go everywhere you have to change them regularly uh a nappy and nappy nappy yeah we use uh you've got a little girl haven't you but we um with our boys we found the pull-ups as soon as we could get them in pull-up nappies we're much better much easier yeah they come into yeah the pull-up varieties where it's an elasticated waistband they just pull up and pull on or you've got the ones where they they have like tabs that you can attach and all that stuff they're very fast it's a lot of faff isn't it I love that word faffing around of like to open fold this part of the nappy down pull that bit over stick that to there stick that yeah a lot of faffing around whereas the elasticated ones it's just like okay up down that's it yeah and teaches them about how to pull up their own pants and things as well once they're once they're in pants it's quite useful yes my my little one my two-year-old is now saying no I do it I do it and so when I'm trying to change his nappy he's like cut off I do it I'm doing it all wrong so it's all folded over and yeah you're like uh I should let I should let him do it but also I don't want any poo anywhere else except in this nappy so I think I'm gonna do it this time let me help you yeah yeah yeah okay um last one um what what do um when we go out you said that you've sort of stopped using this recently oh yeah uh when you go out with the child and and you know there may be too young to walk and maybe they want to sleep or something like that you have to push them around in something what is it oh so this is interesting so I always say pram but there are many ways of describing this and I'm not quite sure always of the difference you've got a pram or a buggy you can talk about a buggy a stroller and I think there's another way of describing it what do you call it so pram push chair nice chair that's the one buggy stroller I'm not sure exactly of the origin of all of these but certainly the word pram is one of those old-fashioned kind of lie flat kind of ones large Mary Poppins kind of things yeah I don't know if there's a problem in Mary Poppins I don't know if there is one in why did I think of that but if you're thinking about the old-fashioned nannies that did always have these and they have a name these beautiful old prams where they had like curling or like an arched um handle bar and a big huge big wheels and and the actual the the the the holding part is quite curved isn't it yes it has a special name yeah um spacious um probably quite comfortable great suspension you imagine that they've got really good suspension in them so that the so that any bumps in the road will you know not quick not wake the baby exactly so that's a pram yeah but the obviously these days we don't have that exactly and what we've got you know with modern Innovations and stuff those things have changed but the basics would be the pram is that where the baby lies flat and a push chair is essentially a chair with some wheels on it and you kind of they sit in it strapped in and you push them around so those in British English I think those are the two main ones and then probably a lot of the innovations that have happened have been done in internationally or at least have come from the states so the words like a buggy and a stroller these these words are probably originally from America but we use them too yeah because I mean stroller sounds American doesn't it stroller let's take a stroll it's just a stroller stroller like um you know we're gonna I think we're going to get a new stroller yeah that has an American feel to it I don't ever say stroller myself um no neither do I we we just say buggy because I think our actual model is called like the sports buggy I think that's we've got Phil and Ted's Sports buggy Sports what sports are you doing with that racing well it's it's made for running it's it's got great suspension it's a three-wheeled um Contraption oh it's not a Contraption a device a vehicle whatever we'd call it but it's got three wheels rather than four and it's supposed to make a turning very quick and responsive which is great if you've just had a C-section but it's meant to be be good for running and it had our old model of it had a handle break release so you could if you squeeze it it would go but as soon as you release the handle the brake would go on so if you were like running Along on your tripped for example the the buggy wouldn't keep going without you because you'd let go and the brake would automatically um go on and there was also a safety strap you could put around your wrist and that has that's great because it has also lies flat and sets them up so if they want to have a smooth while you're taking them out for a run than you can and they're quite good for going off-road so if we're ever doing like a an off-roading stroll no but if we're going out in the country it's a bit muddy we have also the there's one you can get that folds and is small enough to take on a plane yeah that's the Yo-Yo Yo-Yo so we have one of those we had all these inspiration these um ideas of being inspiring parents who would travel with our kids and then you know we had locked down with the first one and then with the second one we're just like there's no way we're traveling with two kids it's too expensive it's too much hassle but just stay in England for a while so but we have this yoyo and we use that because it's quick and easy around town but if we're ever going to like the park or like in the countryside somewhere then the sports buggy is the best option because the wheels are big you know yeah I mean living in Paris and having kids in Paris the idea of having a sports buggy is just like hilarious the idea that you could basically yeah the yo-yo is definitely the most popular Ram yeah I see there I'm calling it a pram push chair pram that's what we call it yeah in with my wife and I we do still call them prams um that's the yoyo is definitely the most popular one here because as you say it's so small and a lot of the streets here are very small and very crowded and do you feel like a superhero when you open it do you do the one-handed yeah it's kind of like a superpower it's like I will turn this small little thing in pow yeah you know yeah you can get it or a magician you kind of look a bit like a magician like pow and then Alakazam yeah exactly looks like a briefcase now it's a pram pow now it's a pram I always do if I go out somewhere and I open up the boot of the car I look around there's some people I'm like oh so just someone walking past kapow and then like Double Take hang on wow what amazing um okay I think that's probably the end of the quiz and we should probably end it here we could go on forever but we won't we're gonna stop this episode now but um uh very nice to talk to you Anna and uh obviously the YouTube channel that you've got English like a native is is doing really really really well but uh good luck with the podcast which you finally and you're gonna come onto my podcast aren't you yes yeah yes indeed yeah yeah yeah that's what we're gonna do next yeah um so yeah I'm looking forward to that fantastic well we better go and get a brew uh yes before we do that and refresh our palettes absolutely okay great well thanks again and I'll speak to you again in a couple of minutes bye

Channel: Luke's English Podcast

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Length: 80min 39sec (4839 seconds)

Published: Wed Mar 01 2023