#5 How much did I pay for my Italian property, and other places I considered

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i started to look for places about a year  ago, in the beginning not so serious   when i was in barcelona last year, i looked more in spain,  mostly on the website called idealista, which is   a spanish website, but there's an italian  version as well. so for spain you would look   on the dot e s site, and dot i t is for italy. but in spain i didn't find what i was looking for   and i wanted to be in the mountains. there's places  in the pyrenees which which are really nice but   i wanted to be in the alps, because, i don't know, i  just like something about the italian culture and   it's closer to the netherlands, it's closer to  just a lot of things, so italy made more sense   and soon i found out that i just needed to be  here to actually see the places, you know   many of those adverts, especially if  they're being put up by private owners   their photos are very bad, so it's hard  to imagine how those places really are that's actually why i bought the camper. because  i thought, if i'd have a camper, i could just travel   easily and just spend some time in  those places, you know, and if it's high in   the mountains, i brought the bike as well.  so i'd cycle up to the house to could see it   I camped there sometimes, i've camped here  too, just to get a feel of the place   first trip was in beginning of may this year for about four weeks i've traveled around the alps  looking at places. it started in the dolomites   there were some very beautiful old cabins  there, they were wooden cabins, high in the mountains   from 1200 to 1500 meters altitude, i  got in touch with one of the owners. he's a   really nice guy, he gave me a lot of information  which was really helpful and i visited the place   which was in the region of, it's called auronzo,  a bit east from the dolomites, but very close   there were beautiful cabins there  they were barns though,    people would never live there, they were storage places  for for hay, you know, food for the cows   and the goats, and there would be little  farms there too, it's really beautiful   but the difficulty there was, first the  altitude, it was 1500 meters, it was still a meter of snow in the beginning of  may, so that's what i thought like, that's difficult and like, the building regulations there were   very limited, because if i had to restore  one of those places, sort of from the ground up   there's a lot of restorations to  do, because the wind just blows through those barns first of all, you have to get a permission  by the municipality, but also by the region   and i think it was called "soprintendenza"  yeah and the geometra who was there too   he said, like yeah, it's very difficult if you  want larger windows on the view side, you know   it's gonna be difficult, you have to close them  off with doors maybe, it's difficult to get   permission, it's also difficult to build there  because the roads are super steep that's the fact for a lot of places, you know, with  these amazing views, they're hard to reach viewed more properties there, i mean, the  landscape there is beautiful, the dolomites those super steep mountains, it's  just absolutely beautiful prices of this cabin was 45 000 and that's kind of   the prices of cabins which  needs to be restored completely   I looked at other properties, another one  which i liked a lot was, there were two cabins   one was sort of a very small cabin, built  in between four or three very big trees   and then there was a slightly larger house next to  it, was a lot of work too, that one was more on the grid  it was just above a little village, and you  could hear the bells of the church and it would be   like just on top of the village, like the highest  house just outside of it, the views were beautiful   it was easy accessible as well. the  problem with that one was it was registered as a storage space, so for a farmer to  store hay for example, or equipment you could renovate it and put a bed and a  simple kitchen there, but you're not allowed   to live full-time there, so it was kind  of complicated, and the real estate agent   was saying, like, oh yeah, don't do this, so  didn't do that, price of that one was 80 000. yeah, it was a beautiful one, i kind of liked it.  then i went looking further, i went to the lakes   Como, and Maggiore as well, and i mean, that area  is gorgeous. the lakes are so beautiful   different prices though, it's it's a bit  more expensive there, but i thought if i buy something there, it's because  it's so touristic, it's also easy   to airbnb it. but it becomes a  different thing, you know, i was looking   for something to live off the grid. a more adventurous place, and if you want something that's suitable for airbnb, it's more like a holiday house, so it's it's a different thing but i found some amazing places there.  i was almost going to buy one place   on top of the hill, also the last house on  the hill, with an amazing view. it was so good   and very quiet, you could see very far over  lake Com on one side and on the other side    you could look in the Sondrio valley,  it was so gorgeous, and there were sheep there you'd hear the sheep bells and the horses and  the other animals, and this place was a ruin, so it   really needed to build be built up from the ground,  in between two very large trees, at 1100 meter   so i was sold, you know. i had a meeting with  the the real estate agent, a few meetings actually   and with the geometra as well, and we discussed the  the renovation project, and they were saying   it's cheaper to rent a helicopter  for the building materials, so i was starting   to ask quotes, sort of ballpark figures for renovating the entire place   I talked with architects, spoke with some  builders and they gave me a figure, but i thought   i talked to more people and more and more i was  realizing that this was going to be a project   that would go sky high in  terms of budget and spendings.   because there're so many factors that are  hard to predict when you're so high in the mountains   it's hard to get the building materials  there, and you know, a lot of difficult things so in the end i decided not to do it. because that  was a different budget. that place was   for sale for 70 000 euros, and it was a ruin, so  you need to build a house there from scratch    that could could go easily into 200 thousand,  300, 400... a lot of money to invest in.   I would need to get another loan, and i decided,  i don't want to get a loan, i want to buy something   just cash and renovate it  myself, because building a house   from scratch by yourself is just out of  the question in italy, it's just not allowed.   you need to get building permits, needs to be  done by certified builders,   you can't do it yourself, it's it's that simple. so then i thought like, okay, the dream is over...   went back to amsterdam, and then started looking  into different regions and that's where i   came here, more on the on the west side closer  to France, i found out that the prices are a lot   cheaper, and it has to do that there's just less  tourism here. and then i found places which   were just ten thousand, ruins for five thousand, fifteen thousand, twenty thousand, and i thought   like okay i could pay that, and  then, if i could do the renovations myself,   because i learned if the structure is good and  the roof is kind of good, you can do internal   works, you're allowed to do it yourself, and that  way you could save money. it wasn't   really about saving money. it's fine to invest in  a in a house, because it's real estate,   you will add value to it, but i didn't  want to step into a renovation project with   building companies, and just a lot of different  parties and permits in a country where i don't   speak the language. i thought, it's just going to  be too stressful and complicated. i want to have   a place where i can just work myself, spend  time... it needed to be already successful   from day one when i purchased it, you know,  it's about the journey of creating a   place yourselves, about learning all the crafts,  because i'm not a builder, i have a few skills, but   not much, i just have to find everything out.  but that's the exciting part of it for me   so that kind of narrowed it down what  i was looking for it needed to be accessible by car, it  needed to have a good view, it needed to be   somewhat remote, so it would be a place  in nature, not too close to a village   it made it easier to to look for places and  then i came here. i met with the real estate agent   first i asked her about some properties in the  neighborhood, i hadn't even seen the advert of this one and she was saying, like, oh maybe you look  for this, okay, maybe this is something for you   it was a bit higher, the price, it was  listed for 29 000, which was a bit above my budget   but when i came here, i biked up  here, it took one and a half hour   and it was just amazing, just the view  here, everything was overgrown... i just liked the situation of the two cabins, the the flat  space here, which is your garden which is sort of a podium in an arena, you  know, and then the surrounding mountains   which you can't see at the moment,  maybe the clouds clear in a bit   i was sold! so i've been here a few times and  then i made a bid. i bit 19 000. the price was 29   and then the owner came back with  23 i believe, yeah, and then if you do 21 000   he's probably gonna go with it. so i offered that,  and it was a deal. it was done pretty quickly so with with building permits, how it works  is, you need to get in touch with the geometra,   which is a surveyor and an architect, the  difference between a geometra and an architect is   that the geometra, i believe, is only doing the  more simple works, like smaller buildings, and   normal houses, not skyscrapers for example,  and more special designs, higher bigger buildings,   that's what an architect does, so the  geometra is the is the person you need, and he   will ask for the building permits,  he will do all the communication between the   the municipality, and for this one, because i'm  not changing the structure, i don't have to   ask for a building permit, but i do need to  fill in papers to communicate the works   on the building, on the inside, that's what has  to be done and it has to be done via a geometra but i'm keeping the structure as it is.  the roof needs a lot of work, but funny enough it doesn't count for changing  the structure, if you just change the rafters   and you insulate it, put new rafters on  insulation and then put the stones back   which is a it's a pretty big job, it's  allowed to do it without a building permit   you cannot change doors, you cannot change windows because then you need a building permit.  and then there's a whole new set of rules you get into   so i'm keeping it fairly  straightforward, it's still a huge amount of work but i'm looking forward to it, i'm enjoying  it so much to be here, just working here   just spending time here, that is the goal. getting the house finished to a liveable house that's that's a goal in itself, but the goal is just spending   time here, and and working here, and being here,  enjoy the the mountain life. another goal is to   learn about renovating such a place,   so it's gonna be a lot of youtubing, reading blogs   talking with people, trying it out, doing it wrong  read more about it, and do it right. it's about teaching yourself and developing  yourself about all these building skills   and creating a living here in the mountains  that's what i want, that's what i'm up for.
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Channel: Martijn Doolaard
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Length: 16min 47sec (1007 seconds)
Published: Wed Dec 08 2021
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