2023 Honda Civic Type R vs The Competition // Drag Race, Lap Times & Review

ah hatchback day yeah you ready yeah okay Thomas my old friend this is gonna be a day today no okay yep [Music] hello morning welcome you join me on an early Southern Ontario morning and I'm in the Taipei on the way to fight Thomas at our track and it's cold and I'm suddenly reminded of the fact that the tie bar doesn't come with heated seats or a heated steering wheel and a freezing cold aluminum shift knob um yeah so that hasn't changed in fact a lot hasn't changed if you were to blindfold me you could easily persuade me that I'm still driving the previous generation in many ways the power feels the same even though it gets a bump to the Golf R 315 horsepower the shifter was already fantastic and even though they've beefed up feels the same which is fine the clutch is easy to operate in the morning this is not an intimidating car this is never an intimidating car this is one of the easiest manual cars to drive there is they've changed the exhaust it doesn't sound very different unless I go to plus r mode which then it does a piped in engine sound which is really aggressive and you can't turn it off unless you go to individual mode but then you lose the really cool gauge cluster for plus r the ride is actually surprisingly compliant and it's still got that boy racer personality we have a big Wang slightly different shape this time we have 265 width tires instead of 245 so that's changed we have shift lights in the dash so as you approach the top of the gear they go yellow and then red in the middle it's very cool also if you don't turn it off in the settings there is a noise that plays as you get to the top of the gear like a v-pick which you might have heard in Thomas's Austin Texas video with this car because he didn't turn it off but since I'm in plus our mode it's definitely noisier can confirm I don't think it's any louder from the inside so it's aggressive the pipe and sound is aggressive the beeping the shift lights but you know what as I approach the track here I'm realizing that aggression is kind of gonna be what I need to be able to beat that goal far what is he doing Thomas You're supposed to bring the Golf oh James in order to face your future you must first defeat your past okay let's do this okay new versus old last time we had the new verses out here it was gr86 versus GT86 and uh that was a big difference in displacement they haven't changed much with this in fact it's a little bit heavier and it's the new platform so there's no guarantee that this wins it's a track the track the changes they made are for the track yeah yeah okay this is going to require a lot of Zen because I have to find every ounce of traction that I have because this is on an older crappier Tire compared to the ps4s's however I'm lighter I'm not I'm not lighter than James not at all but the car is lighter than that car three two one [Music] [Applause] ahead [Applause] [Music] yes go on then foreign [Music] really really had to focus on traction there a little bit of wheel hop okay Elevate hello so you're struggling for traction a bit very much well you know it's difficult to launch the type huh easier in the new generation I yeah this these tires just like I already got heat in them and it doesn't matter once you've got going did you once I got going I noticed that uh something interesting intriguing in fact would be the word I would use yeah in third and fourth gear yeah um it felt like I was gaining on you a little bit gaining yes damn it it felt like it felt like I was catching you shall we do a roll race to confirm the well off the line obviously this one has it I think the gearing's a little bit more friendly in that as well it felt like it's got short to final ratio but I think the actual gear ratio is the rest of them are all the same yes okay so uh shall we do a roll race yes okay okay three oh my God what the bloody hell's going on there I'm walking away easily that's a foster car that's a foster car [Music] oh what even in fourth gear there he was he was going faster than me not acceptable it's not acceptable it's not acceptable what just happened nothing went wrong there okay no we're doing that again no we're doing that again I please can we do it again if you insist like shifts were good everything was good that was in gear acceleration I saw it I walked you in third and fourth for sure easily do you want to do it again just to chat yeah you can't see it because you haven't got that sixth sense but the way the wind currents were going it was one more time one more time ladies and gentlemen when you take a launch out of the equation it appears as though the new Type R might be slower than the old type armor what I will not accept that the new Civic type Haul is slower than the old Civic type Hall in a straight line I will not accept it it can launch better yes but once we got going you ready to run you know God let's win again he's pulling on me [Music] he's actually puts no one else pause on me I'm the only one that pulls on me bye-bye bye bye bye bye oh my God oh oh shh what what was it about facing my future I need to defeat my past I don't think you defeated your past son well this car needs therapy then because yeah that's that's quicker so that was a little bit closer because I spun a little bit in second gear I think so you would have won by more I would have won by more yeah everything was perfect on my end like Fast shifts you there was no bogging on your shifts right I could see it in my rear view mirror this calls a launcher the improvements are track improvements okay okay well we'll do a track test in a second but I can jump in the golf ball can we yeah bring up some other competitors for that let's do that I'm gonna go get the Golf R and I've heard that there's a uh a rumor that perhaps a man of focus might in intervene as well I like that I like that before our man of extreme Focus arrived just to remove any doubt James suggested that we switch drivers and try the race again just to be sure and lo and behold the same result and if there is ever any question whether or not the old type bar was tampered with it's actually the X Honda press car and has come direct from Honda exactly how Honda had been sharing it with journalists so unquestionably the old Type R is quicker in a straight line than the new one but before we could discuss any further our Focus shifted to a focused man focused into Focus it's Bill in the nose isn't it [Music] three two one oh [Music] my God I've got the Focus RS I got him I got him that's the all-wheel drive Advantage there [Music] oh it's a tight part I forgot that was close though that was close between them between them it was close just between them oh thanks for coming out yep uh yeah he did a great job with the camera so you could see that I was beating Carson that's the all-wheel drive Advantage there uh I grinded second gear oh yeah interesting the legend lives on um oh yeah but otherwise it was fine so yeah I haven't grinded in that yet when I drove it on the track before so no well I see the twerking or grinding these days but uh yeah all right well let's see what happens in the role because obviously this this really comes alive in a role unless it's against the older version of itself yeah uh but uh but yeah they'll say I can get grind but everything else was fine yeah a lot of wheel hop a lot of wheel hop I get a little while having this too actually but uh it didn't matter because I won roll race yeah yeah this is my moment let's go foreign [Music] oh man that's fun roll rice kick roll race King noise quick as the one before it but it's this is the prince this is the Sun so interestingly you did win later the advantage don't I'm not claiming it I'm not claiming to win the car the car one um in fourth gear yeah right before the Finish Line were you gaining I was gaining okay this is a likely story it's not like what do you want to say it was okay but uh like in a half mile I wonder we don't have the ability to do that here no but uh I'd be very interested but yeah it's definitely like the response everything's lighter it snaps better like yeah yeah uh I think I speak for every Volkswagen person here is I wonder what would have happened with the DSG in all of the Israel uh yes there is a DSG yes but yeah we have to say that every time where you guys we've matched the Transmissions it's fair should I set some lap times yeah any predictions I actually wouldn't have predicted what just happened in this role race so I'm not good at predictions but my guess is My Hope Is that this beats the fk8 the old Civic Type R yeah also my hope yes otherwise and I think it will crush both of those I think this is coming out the Victor in the track today interesting okay let's see okay let's look at the fastest lap of three in the new Type R by the way the full hot laps of the Golf R and the old type R4 reference will be at the end of the video so not a lot has changed in the way the type R drives the suspension however is about as stiff as the type rle was and I don't think I've ever been thrown around this much in a fast lap also if you're wondering why my hands are so busy on the steering wheel it's because there really isn't any feedback for the front tire grip level so I'm constantly adding lock and backing it off to figure out where the limits of the front tires are this is something that did not happen nearly as much in the old Type R or in the golf r as for the rest of the car it's still sharp balanced and very quick I really like driving it even if the onboard voice command system was a bit confused foreign [Music] make sure there is no background noise then try again okay are you nervous yeah well it's important these are important cars important to me important to the world indeed and uh yeah that little rivalry's got me all tangled up but because that one went faster in the roll race yes yes so first things first yep focus our rest where's he gone okay so it was the brakes were a little bit old tires a little bit old I didn't deem it fair it was an owner car okay so didn't want to set the internet on fire yeah exactly yeah but I mean it made sense for the drag anyway throw up the leaderboard oh I hope it went that way Carson probably put it over here but I've got the lap times here are you excited so golf all you did again yeah and it's drier today that's why we did it again it's so last time we had this out was mildly moist mildly moist so we're gonna put an mm for mildly moist on a leaderboard because because it went faster today okay and and there were some more puddles on the track I didn't think it made that much of a difference but it went a little bit faster so to be fair we're gonna kind of downgrade the laps from the other day okay right well yeah it's very much an on the day thing the leaderboard always as fun as it is should be taken with a pinch of salt hot laps get a bit messy but as the temperatures rise and fall during the day the times can be different by a tenth so it it that's this is the reality of driving cars on the track we can't have every car we've ever driven here today with us currently the golf ball is slower than the gr Corona and the Elantra in yes the new golf our time is one 14.48 hey okay so that feels more representative of the power and it's capable yeah however those would have gone faster had I had left them today so the only thing we can compare it to is these all right old Type R yeah so we haven't so this is the oh newest oh typo the newest Autopart we've laughed the type bar before and we left the typo Le which was too stiff for our track yeah suffered yes so arguably this is until this car that's the best possible FKA Type R for our track so and it did a 114.41 yes okay that requires the same as a dodge charger Hellcat red eye yeah that shouldn't be the case Dodge but it makes sense for that car because it's always been a weapon yeah they've improved yes now so that is on the the stock Continentals yeah and this is on the ps4s's which are also stock now for the new one right right and you can as a dealer installed option you can put cup twos in this but I mean that's true for any car in the world if you go to your dealer and say hey could you put cup twos in this car they'd be like okay give me money I'm gonna switch the cup Twos for the markup no they're both dealer in store okay so uh sorry that did a 114.41 this did a 1 13.55 113.55 yeah well I said before the drag race yes the changes they've made yes are track changes yeah I pulled that out of my ass and it's come true yeah and now I seem correct okay so like that's a great time honestly between the two driving them back to back yeah they're so similar they all yeah they are like they drive so similarly I I think I prefer the steering in the old one right and and I I know that there's there's a there's a taller sidewall on the new one because these are 19 inches 19-inch Wheels those are the 20s there's not much in it in the ride no it wasn't any really harsher out there for me no because it I think there's yeah you bounce around a lot like beaten to pieces in this car like it was so like all over the place here's the big difference Okay so we've experienced a lot a little price hike yes right it's like it was four thousand dollars up from that one yeah but I think enough enough has changed visually visually the interior and that's it can I come yeah it's not that much more powerful no okay so here's the thing that I have and I realized why I said this in the video when I was down in Austin that I didn't like the rear wing on this car and I still don't and the reason for that is that that one is body colored and it feels like it's meant for the car this feels like it's an aftermarket add-on yeah I don't see color but I do see what you're talking about with the aftermarket it does look perfect no I think that people are quite mixed on this I think it's it's beautiful it is but it looks like this looks more like a hatchback it looks like a little hatch yeah yeah I think they've cleaned up the lines also by the way the newer chord is going to have this sort of new face anyway so since you're gonna eat even more it will look even more look like a coordinate look like yeah should we look at the interior yeah and I want to discuss livability because I think that's a big part of alcohol it gives you everything you want shotgun well I'm not shocking like shotgun on the sitting in the show it's gonna get in okay yeah type of Suits why isn't the gr Corolla here there's only one in the country and it's on the west coast I asked that question for your benefit because I already knew the answer but I cried all of yesterday it was very upsetting we really wanted it to be here honestly but it you know this such is life okay so I've already sat in this car and reviewed it to the latest and you hung out with F150 best friends with Sergio Perez now what do you want me to say that's not even his name if you knew his name I I was I was talking he said listen Thomas my friend I don't like when people call me checo I prefer Sergio the full name not the short form that's what he said to me um he also said you're an amazing driver I don't know why he said that but otherwise of him say that's me so so I really like the interior of this car and out of all the current hot hatches I think it is the most usable yes and the most comfortable I also think it's the most cohesive and and you know there are going to be people wondering okay an Elantra and is available a lot cheaper and it's an incredibly capable car it's a great and it's not like you get all-wheel drive with this as an advantage like right the advantages I think are not immediately clear but I think these seats this interior the Elantra and interior is busy it's busy but it's also fun if you like that honestly this is a better looking car from the outside but if you told me like you know you know I prefer the Elantra and I'd go like okay yeah cool yeah like 100 like it's all taste it's all taste in this yeah apart from the golf far because it has capacitive touch steering wheel buttons uh okay so again today in the hot Labs halfway through my lap I did a couple things one I took it out of network ring mode and not on purpose no because the buttons are capacitive touch and they're like right where your hand hits and I turn the heated steering wheel on so by the end my hands were like on fire right not like I was driving so well no I mean it was but but it was it was so hot and it was in Comfort mode so I had to redo the lap again in Nurburgring mode and like pay attention to where I was going well don't worry they're going to change that apparently yeah hopefully that would be great if they could add a volume knob as well that would be nice because this has one yeah and these buttons on the steering will work perfectly and we get shift lights and there's a beep in the end code and these seats are just like how how is type how's Honda figured these seats out I don't know but like if we could just install these seats in every car that would be fine I love the red I love again I don't have any critiques about this interior honestly other than the fact that this has a stuck on tablet which I hate I don't mind it this is the ultimate version of an economy car right you can't please everyone every time there's a new generation they either didn't do enough or they did that and ruined it yeah and I think this feels to me like the gr86 feels like that same we know the matchup we know that the objective here yeah we're just going to clean up and make it more modern yes listen I agree and they have done that and we're about that felt like a conclusion you were getting there I wouldn't uh I just want to say that it is unacceptable that the old one is faster in a straight line than this it's not okay do me like that Honda this should be a quicker car and right it's faster on a track but if you put the other one on PS4 s's I would say it's probably within a shot of being the same speed around the track yeah so but these are the stock tires they come online you have a choice you either you can either tire match or you can choose the stock tires we always do shock fire for the test stock tires yeah but I just wanted to say other than the fact that it's maybe not quick enough it's like an exact great Evolution that this interior and there's nothing wrong yeah the interior and exterior alone are enough for me okay now we can do a conclusion okay okay whether you are steadfast on the importance of all-wheel drive or you are a hot hatch purist and are happy with the Simplicity of front-wheel drive these days you've got Choice the Civic Type R is still a Type R fun fast full of hondiness and for most better looking than ever when it comes to choosing among all the new hot hatches including the new gr Corolla James and I seem every day to be leaning more towards the all-wheel drive Golf R for its ability to conquer all categories even with its stupid steering wheel buttons it's still a phenomenal driver's hatch although in the front wheel drive World from a pure engagement perspective over the new Type R I'd take an Elantra n a car that for all intents and purposes is better than it has any right to be it's also significantly cheaper no question the Elantra N is a deal but I don't think there's much in it for engagement between the two and the new looks the seats the Simplicity of the Interior the shifter action of the Civic Type R along with its nameplate wins me over but as we said in our latest Elantra n gr Corolla video in a moment of extreme Rarity none of the options in this entire category are a bust quite the opposite actually they all have Splendid on-track performance and on-road driving manners and on top of that each one offers its own very distinct flavor as car enthusiasts what more can we ask for than that thanks for watching oh and a big thank you to Michelin Canada for generously donating tires for this video thank you foreign oh

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Published: Tue Nov 15 2022