2020 Porsche 911 Carrera S MANUAL vs 2010 Porsche 911 Carrera S // The $100K Divide

okay guys seriously 800 000 subscribers people are expecting high production value okay we have to get this right harrison start pedaling good more more more come on let's go yes okay and fan and fog perfect okay karsten seriously buddy get this right this time okay lights okay lean in lean lean yes lean yes lean james ready this is hinging on you this all comes down to you okay it's not a big deal but you can do this i know you can do this ready and go this just might work [Music] over five decades of tweaking means that porsche is getting really good at making 911s the shape is unmistakable the performance is undeniable and now in the 992 generation modern technology takes an old formula to the next level since this is the carrera s it gets 443 horsepower and 390 pound-feet of torque from a 3-liter twin-turbo flat 6. and before i show you just how potent that power plant is and how incredible this car is at speed i want to show you well how slow it can be [Music] if you're new to throttle house we do car reviews track tests and quite a lot of messing about so subscribe hit the bell you're watching throttle house i'm thomas and i'm supposed to be meeting james on our usual back roads but i decided to take a detour through a city because even though this is the 911 carrera s and it's really really fast as i'll show you in a minute and it has a manual transmission right now it's just a normal car it's so supple the ride is beautiful the car is comfortable and quiet visibility is great i have all the interior room in the world and the stereo is fantastic even though this is just the bose one and not the upgraded burmester the point that i'm trying to make is that this car is a beautiful vehicle to drive every single day but none of that matters if when you leave the city and turn onto a back road like this it doesn't come alive like 150 000 sports car should or for a hundred thousand dollars less you can have one of these and 997.2 carrera s oh and i'm james jump back 10 years and you get a 911 that left the turbos to the turbo this 2010 carrera s delivers 385 horsepower and 310 pound-feet of torque from its 3.8 liter flat 6 which was redeveloped with direct fuel injection for this generation and now that it's been around for a while it's less than half of the new one's price and yet it's still a pure uninhibited naturally aspirated icon and it sounds like one too keep it keep it keep it yes that's a 911 3.8 liter flat 6 naturally aspirated 385 horsepower and quite a bit less torque than that number because no turbos and for the uninitiated that might sound like a bad thing but it is not so yes the new 992 is stiffer it's wider it's faster and this is the s so it's got even more but it is turbocharged this is not the first time that a turbocharged 911 has been turbocharged without being called a turbo that was the 991.2 generation which was turbocharged without being called a turbo this is the carrera s which gets 443 horsepower that's 64 more than the non-s turbocharged non-turbo 911 carrera and 58 more than the 911 that james is in confused so am i so the turbochargers mean oh my god that it has a lot more torque but porsche being porsche didn't settle for a typical turbocharged powerband where it just kind of flattens out and dies off near the red line no they tuned this with two turbos so that it pulls right to the red line but the big issue that i have and one of the only issues that i have with this car is that two things one in carrera s trim it's too fast this car has too much power and when you have all of that boost and these sound symposiums that kind of pump some induction noise in in sport plus it just kind of becomes a boomy-wushy turbocharged experience it makes this noise it doesn't come through on camera as much it sounds more flat sticks there but for me it just kind of sounds like and since it's so powerful even though the gears are really tall oh my god the whole thing happens so quickly so i don't get to enjoy that flat six sound it's like if you played beethoven's ninth symphony in one second it would just be does it feel quick not a 60 in a hair over five seconds it's not slow and it's just exciting you get to live in that gear for a while which some might say is a bad thing because at the top of second gear you're well over the speed limit but i just i just want to nestle in there it's wonderful and we've got hydraulic steering not the electric super refined stuff in thomas's so i have more of a connection with the road not as much as i was expecting to be honest but more than modern cars but it wouldn't be a 911 if it didn't handle like a porsche and all it does so each year that porsche has improved the 911 they've made it handle a little bit less like a rear-engined car the weight distribution in this car doesn't feel that strange like a 911 should when i turn in i still kind of get that lean in of the rear end of the engine but it's not super obvious it just feels like a tight sports car and the steering is incredibly accurate okay i have to say this it is some of the best electric power steering in the world right now but it has to be said that an old porsche has better steering it cannot be escaped at 60 grand it's not cheap oh that's a sports car that's a sports car there is a reason the 911 is an icon it is and this almost sounds like i'm putting it down here but i'm not it is the golf gti of the six figure sports car in the best way possible and i can't wait to see if the 992 has kept that because damn it looks good but the biggest thing the biggest news of the day is that i'm in an interior that looks like this it's beautiful in a modern sports car that costs over a hundred thousand dollars and i have a manual transmission which by the way brilliant incredibly positive gears well gated the clutch is a bit springy but it's intuitive enough and the position that my hands are in relative to the shifter is textbook i can touch both the steering wheel and the shifter at the same time my hand barely moves bang a gear bang a gear and that is just lended to by what is one of the best driving positions in any car i have ever been in ever i this is the first time in the world that i've got in a sports car and was unable to have the seat in the lowest possible position because it's too low james talks about drug dealer low driving positions this one's the full pablo escobar name another car where you just get to have your cake and eat it like this one it's got two back seats for small people it's fast it's fun it looks great so the 997 delivers naturally aspirated rear engine flat 6 sounding thrills and even though it delivers on all of those things the 997 generation is still not immune from the 9 11 midnight in paris syndrome that is every generation that came before it must be better so just out of curiosity let's go back to 1996 where you could have rolled off the lot in a beautiful arena red 993 and before i even start the engine listen to the sound of the door closing then i put my seatbelt on because in place of safety we have visibility with these tiny a-pillars and if i want to start the engine i got to press this button just before do it it's going to do a different way now i'm just going to press it to get a different vibe there we go first time all right so we have a floor mounted clutch pedal which feels very strange air cooled 911 stuff of legend and you're probably thinking that's an old 911 and you see it drive by and it's probably quite scary well guess what 1996 wasn't that long ago and this doesn't drive that old the shifter is easy to manage the clutch despite being floor mounted and strange isn't punishing like the 997 it's not electric steering and it fills another stage of analog now i'm not going to tell you the 282 horsepower is a lot of power but when you're pushing something that's this light and this small you don't find yourself wanting for much war it has that sound there's so much feel in the steering i'm not just driving this car it's a part of the journey with me the steering wheel is talking to me i can feel that oh hello i feel it while i'm hard on a car like this because i want it to feel like a classic 911 i can't really fault it that much it is an utterly brilliant unbelievable car it is technically perfect it's wondrously fast it's just an unbelievable car with a manual transmission because it's so analog it's far more fun in the turns even at 40 kilometers an hour i think it's just that feeling of fear that doesn't exist in the new ones i'm waiting for that engine to spin around the car and bite me but it hasn't yet see what it's like after four or five thousand six that's not something you get with turbos on it that is pure smooth flat six courtesy of 1996. and i think it's fair to say that the design has aged quite well i'm going to go talk to thomas about that now ah 9 11 day it's a good day we actually haven't done very many 911s they've been very absent from the final house no and that's it now that's porsche's done yeah except for next week except for next week yeah maybe the week after maybe the week after yeah stay tuned for that yeah all right i don't care what you think of this in terms of looks because i think it looks fantastic okay unbelievable and i think even the nine thousand dollar cheeky option that makes it look like a gt3 and changes the front bumper yep it's absolutely fine i would go to sleep like a baby knowing that i have something that looks slightly like a different speck i don't know what i think what do you think i think it's absolutely beautiful okay i was worried about you where are you because people will kill you wouldn't it will it yes this is an icon it's well speaking of icons i'm sorry like oh you like that i do like that very much yeah i thought you like that you bring that along you can see that this has paid homage to it it's got the it's got these strokes down the bonnet oh this doesn't have them that's right okay and even more geekily geek geekily that's a word only geeks no i mean um you wouldn't know okay this in order to be more similar to the 993 has the headlights in the fender whereas the 997 and the 991 has the headlights in the fender and the the bumper and it doesn't look as good this is this is more historical if you hadn't pointed out to me i would never have noticed i know ever the more you know okay we're a bastion of useless information the 993. i you know what i think about this you know where i stand this is for me the coolest thing that's because you're an old man you're 32 going on a little bit yeah you love backgammon and your favorite thing about cruise ships is the shuffleboard on the top yeah and your favorite suite is werther's original that's everyone's secret favorite suite though because they're saying yeah they're so delicious yeah no this is absolutely stunning an arena red doesn't hurt it either yeah it's oh it's amazing all right the middling porsche 997 yes the middle between these ish yes there's another one and yes there's a bastard child in here somewhere we're gonna talk about the runny egg we'll talk about running i like my eggs hard-boiled thank you very much uh i actually have no problem with the 996 but that's the story it's a great car it doesn't look nearly as good i think next to the 992 this now looks dated it still looks like no no no no no this looks new this looks like a okay to be fair when this came out i thought it was too angular but now it just looks kind of like a 911 to me i've adapted to it and this looks more rounded that doesn't bother me i like the rounded 911 it's beautiful yeah it is it's better what's it better don't it's better it's better oh it's so wonderful to see it is manual gearbox oh yes with such a high-tech interior this interior is absolutely no see perfect implies that it's perfect it's not perfect there are a couple things i have first i'm going to do the two gripes that i have with this okay and then you can just assume the rest is perfect okay first of all beautiful gauge cluster right digital analog i can see all of the information yeah that's because these two gauges are think for you not for me because no matter where i put the steering wheel i only get one two three gauges i don't get these at all because of the thumb rest because of the thumb running away it's completely useless i don't know what they were thinking um but the other issue is is a very minor one also maybe potentially very serious when i don't know what it is i've corroborated this with other people who have tested the 992 and there are rattles in the interior of this car oh like little rat like not creeks there's rattles like it's like there's a piece of plastic stuck in a little area it's really weird other than i i'm just gonna maybe these are early cars i don't know i'm gonna give it a benefit of the dough because otherwise i love this interior when it came out it came out in just the pdk yeah and it was that little nub and i didn't have a problem with everyone freaked out about that i don't bother me that much but i think if you want the pdk and not the manual you have to at least be able to pronounce the words that pdk stand for in german what is it so obviously me as our resident german yeah go ahead um it is uh doppelganger german's watching this tell me i tried to get a straight face [Laughter] which is the pdk okay good to know this has a drive mode selector which is part of the sport chrono package so i get this little thing down here like uh you can hear the exhaust change immediately right now this has cooled seats cooled seats lately have been an issue for us in many cars because they don't ever actually work these really do yeah all of a sudden it makes a lot of noise when you're on the road you can't hear it but like they really do work we'll turn those off so that people can hear us either way even with the sunroof there's still a ton of headroom i love the driving position i love the interior quality i love the steering wheel and we have a haptic feedback on a piano black panel which does show fingerprints very badly but other than that it's simple i love this interior let's go see what the 2010 one next time okay all right we've rewound a decade and now we're at the alcantara roof you just called me a child for playing with stuff in the other car i did yeah okay so this is the 997.2 which doesn't sound like much but it was a huge difference and one of the biggest changes was the interior yeah so for me this new steering wheel is a lot better we had this giant triangle oh the triangle one yeah that was no good now it looks really dated i can see all my gauges in here what an awful idea this seems old we have a sim slot now wow yes yeah but you know if this had car playing it it would maybe modernize it for just getting out of that 992. the buttons have a nice click to them though like everything feels still high porsche quality except for well this is all plastic down here and yeah yeah but the seats are comfortable they're very comfortable stiff a little bit stiff remember we're going back to the head room still too yeah we're going back two generations yeah so this isn't just like the previous generation interior this is two back yeah no two or three back technically very nice it's still very nice i really like it yeah but it you know interestingly the car is smaller but the cabin doesn't feel that much smaller no that's true that's true it is still bulbous still 911 e i do like the gauges though i mean i like the digital what i love is that they didn't okay i'm going to flame bmw right now because porsche record mate yeah i'm sorry but porsche did new digital gauges and they made them look like porsche gauges and made them look like gauges period bmw just like i don't know you know i'm not gonna brought up bmw i'm sorry i just i'm upset i'm upset about their gauge clusters really it will make you feel better what if you drive this can i drive it yeah okay all right in the 997 oh yes all the gear shift is good everything about it is good and the steering is better oh turn it in the front end just talks oh i've more of a sense of that engine being behind me too it feels more 911 oh man i've driven a gt3 like the most recent gt3 and obviously 9000 rpm that sounds crazy this only revs to like 7 300 but it has that flat sixness that i really feel like i was missing from the new 992. here's the thing though is that this is definitely more unrefined as a daily vehicle that 992 has an absolutely beat wow turbos are good at making 50 something horsepower feel huge and again they've added that extra layer of refinement that keeps happening with each generation from the 993 to the 996 to the 997 we just tried this takes it that extra level now yes it does lack in sound and that's the turbos and you can't get away from that but it's just so easy to drive such an easy manual to get on with not intimidating at all but here's the best part and the most exciting part porsche yes i said porsche even though i normally say porsche give you everything there is a full menu to choose from and this doesn't even sit that far in price from the crazy gt3 if you want naturally aspirated pdk or manual don't make me pick one please don't make me pick one because it's gonna be this and i'll deal with the sound it's absolutely fine i think it's i think it's just not what people are used to but so much respect for the 997 and that gorgeous 993 i won them all and i won them now and that's okay it's okay that i can't have them just give me another few minutes in this all right conclusions of the day i want to give huge props to the 992 for being an absolutely brilliant 911. it is objectively incredible and it still retains the 911ness that i love about a car like this it's important to know that the reason to me right now this car feels more visceral and more sports car is not because porsche engineered it that way intentionally they still tried when this car came out to make it the most refined sports car they could which is what they did with the 992 very successfully so this is less a product of porsche making a more exciting car back then and just more a product of the times because that's where the technology could go to so my choice today is the 997 because to me it just feels a bit more porsche

Channel: Throttle House

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Rating: 4.9217033 out of 5

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Length: 22min 52sec (1372 seconds)

Published: Wed Aug 05 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/mr_duong567]

The 997 has such a classic 911 charm to it. It’s crazy to see how small it is today even compared to the 992.

Also loving Thomas’ W201 (or is it W124) shirt and that intro.

[u/gvrry]

I think the "T" variant will suit the 992 well. Engine from the base 911 and the shorter gears from the S, while being a touch lighter.

[u/Mayjaplaya]

Of course... this video made me hit up Craigslist and the cheapest clean manual 997 S I could find around Vancouver was... $39k. 2005 RWD Coupe. Drool.

[u/rogersmj]

Everyone needs to stop talking about how great the 997.2 is...I’ve been saving to buy one next year and prices are going up!

[u/The_Exia]

This intro takes the cake. These guys are the only ones that will get me visibly laughing at almost every video.

Keep doing what your doing gents, your formula is spot on and I always feel like I'm watching Canadian youtube Top Gear.

[u/greysuitandnavytie]

That 993 tho. Been my dream car for 25 years. Shame prices are so high now.

[u/ab84fan]

Absolutely loved this review. Nobody talks about steering and "visceral-ness" like this. I know exactly what they are talking about. When I drive my recently sold E90 side by side with my Macan S, the Macan certainly has "quicker" steering but it just does not transmit anywhere near the same amount of road feel. The steering is heavy for EPS but only about 70% as heavy as the E90 was.

The 992 is a great car but it's too expensive and too refined for me. The 997 is my choice. I'm a firm believer that the golden age for sporty cars was the late 90s - early 2010s. These cars struck the perfect balance between sporty/visceral-feeling and refinement/luxury while having enough tech (e.g. Bluetooth) to not feel ancient. Modern cars have become too refined and muted.

[u/_galaga_]

Oh my. A very exciting 911 Day on TH. The Arena Red 993 was quite a surprise, although I'm a bit sad I didn't get to see Thomas rave about it, too, although I assume that footage was NSFW. I'd love to see a similar Boxster/Cayman breakdown between the 981, 718, and 718 GTS 4.0 (or even previous gens like the 987.2). It's also interesting that these legacy comparisons poke at what's really important about a sports car. Feel vs. speed, feedback vs. precision, etc.

[u/king_jellyfish_prawn]

I own a 991 GTS which I love, I drove the 992 which for me felt a little saturated to drive but the infotainment and comforts are fantastic. The 997 on the other hand is fantastic fun to drive but there are a few small things they added after that make later models so much more enjoyable as a daily driver.