17 Times The Destiny Community Hated Hunters

when you say you're a hunter man in destiny other players start to judge you it's not your fault though it's just that some hunters have these massive toxic egos and while others just like to use their easy instant win buttons this stigma against hunters goes back to the very beginning of destiny in september of 2014. in some ways things are better now than they were back then but when there's no content to play everyone starts pointing their fingers at the hunter mains in our community like clockwork i dove deep into the dark negativity pools of the internet trying to understand the hate directed towards hunters i'm talking hundreds of reddit threads bungee forum posts and twitter comments some of the things i saw left me feeling kind of gross but i've narrowed down almost 8 years of hunter hate into 17 critical moments let's go back in time to september of 2014 when the lives of destiny players were forever changed before we do though i think we can all agree on at least one thing 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at checkout or go to bespokepost.com pattycakes20 the date is september 9th 2014. many soon-to-be guardians are about to fire up destiny for the very first time a brand new sci-fi shooter from the makers of halo after waiting in long lines at gamestop for the midnight release it's time to put the disc into our consoles for the first time the opening music hits us and we make our first guardian for many players that first character was a hunter and like most things in life many people start to love to hate what's popular from the very beginning hunters were hated for nothing more than just being the class that everyone to play because it looks so cool you would think that that pettiness would go away pretty quickly right well wrong hunters were hated throughout most of destiny 1. they had the most players representing the class and they sounded so much louder than everyone else just by sheer volume titan and warlock mains quickly started to notice a pattern or maybe they just wanted to believe that a pattern existed and never really stopped seeing it there were a lot of nerves in early destiny 1. the community stigma back then was that many of the nerves happening were a direct result of bungie catering to the hunter mains their complaints were all over the bungie forums on twitter and over the destiny subreddits when titans had twilight garrison that let them in air dodge twice the hunters made bungie nerf it sun singer warlocks had a fireball grenade with stupid amounts of tracking we're talking about hitting people way around corners and walls it also had the potential for a damage over time effect like thorn and it dealt so much damage that a guardian hit by a firebolt would have almost no health left without a doubt this was overpowered and it did need to be nerfed but when it happened thousands of warlocks around the world blamed the loss of their favorite pvp grenades on those hunter crybabies the third moment on our list took place in year one of destiny 1 when the second ever raid was released crota's end back in destiny 1 we were all pretty bad at raids by today's standards like really bad seriously most players who actively rated back then were far worse than what people think of for the worst lfg raiders these days and no raid showcased just how bad we were like crota's end the first encounter was pretty tough for many players so hunter mains figured out an easy way to cheese it rather than doing it legit you can go invisible to avoid being seen by enemies or you can just skip major sections of the encounter in the second encounter a staggering amount of people never learned what you're actually supposed to do all anyone knew to do was to use an exploit to get yourself outside of the map put on the icebreaker sniper rifle and avoid any coordinated effort whatsoever but the final encounter in crota's end was where hunters were loved and hated at the same time only huntress could reliably be the sword bearer during the final boss fight against the nephew of sabathune crota you see the only way to deal damage to crota was with a special sword but first the rest of your team needed to do enough burst damage that he would kneel down once crota would kneel you could damage him with a sword but croto was kind of a crazy boss to fight if he hit you you would die instantly he was massive so his lunge was equally as large and connection issues caused him to be a little bit erratic at times anyone who got close to him had to be ready to instantly deal damage with the sword or else they'd get smashed across the floor like a bug on a windshield this raid was seriously no joke back in 2014 most of us were under leveled at the time and had very few raid clears and as someone who ran a lot of crota's end back in destiny 1 being the sword bearer was considered a pretty big responsibility for your group it was stressful but also so rewarding when you got the kill the entire team's success or failure was on your shoulders and the tiniest little misstep would mean a likely wipe for everyone i remember spending hours and hours for every single crota kill that my friends and i earned during those early days but hunters made playing the role of the sword bear a million times easier with a little bit of cheese that only they could do hunters were the only class that could crouch and become invisible this set them up as the perfect sword bears because crota would never attack them since he couldn't see them having a skilled hunter in the group meant you could avoid spending an entire night of trying to finish that final boss and defeating crota gave some of the best weapons at the time there was a legendary rocket launcher that rivaled the galler horn in damage called the hunger of crota the word of crota was a great hand cannon the black hammer was a top tier dps sniper really so many amazing weapons only dropped from crota and it wasn't guaranteed that any weapon would even drop in fact it was actually kind of rare for weapons to drop so you really needed a reliable sword bearer some of the warlocks and titans at the time became a little jealous that hunters were always deemed as the sword bearer but if we're honest they probably enjoyed the loot that they got as well now we're moving forward in time from the end of 2014 to mid 2015. the house of wolves expansion was released and the most popular crucible mode in destiny's entire existence was born trials of osiris hunters were the most played class and one subclass in particular was the most popular bladedancer was like an arc version of the spectral blade super that we have now if you've ever thought to yourself that spectroblades was a little bit overpowered well the early blade dancer was way more powerful with blade dancer hunters had access to blink the same movement ability that's now only available on the void warlock in this era of destiny blink was even more easy mode than zombies are today which is kinda hard to think about if you never played d1 you'd instantly dash forward like the current blink but there is basically no delay to pull your weapon out so you can blink right over someone turn around and shotgun them before they could even move their controller to face you you have to remember there was no mouse and keyboard back then destiny was only on consoles and everyone was using controllers and controllers couldn't even turn as fast back then as they do now so players thumbs just couldn't turn the character around fast enough to counter the blank shotgun playstyle there was also hardly any cooldown for blink so you could do it a second time to really break someone's sticks think back to when toptree dawnblade and destiny 2 could icarus sash twice in a row back to back pretty much any time they wanted the blink jump on bladedancer was maybe even stronger than this and that wasn't even the only overpowered thing on the bladedancer there was also the super which is probably about as strong as spectralblaze was at its peak in destiny 2. it was really hard to outrun a blade dancer because they could combine blink with the swipe from their super for some insane movement the only reliable counter back then was a fist of havoc or a nova bomb or one of the other one and done shut down supers blade dancer super had an option where you can use your heavy attack to send an arc wave along the floor called razor's edge this was a one shot kill that could travel underneath the ward of dawn bubble and hit anyone inside it would take two attacks to kill someone in a bubble but it was just as powerful as it sounds if this sounds awful we're still not even close to done our bolt grenades were just ridiculous in early d1 the arc bolts were much better at chaining than they are in d2 it also did so much damage that you could kill an enemy player in trials just by hitting them with an arc bolt and then hitting with one shot of thorn or you could also just throw an arc bolt together with a teammate and wipe an entire team and of course you could combine this with a lucky raspberry exotic chess piece so you'd have an arc hold every single time you spawned you could literally die in trials get revived and then throw a grenade right away that did over 120 damage to everyone and we're still not even close to done yet blade dancers had a perk called fleet footed which is basically like getting the zombie slide for free built right into the subclass backstep was a perk that would deal bonus damage for getting a melee hit from behind to one hit kill but the funky hitboxes a netcode would make this often proc on just a regular melee to the front if you jumped a little bit while delivering the blow the encore perk made the super last forever just like the gwyzen vest on the spectral blades and hungering blade gave your health back for landing a charged melee kill or just kill with your super just like devour does now perhaps the most powerful part of this entire subclass though was that you always got access to quick draw on all of your weapons intrinsically just from the subclass options this perk was so powerful in destiny 2 that bungie took it away from shotguns like the fell winters and then also still nerfed it imagine having quick draw on every single weapon for free it's no surprise why hunters were hated early on by every titan and warlock thousands of players moved over to the blade dancer because if you can't beat them you might as well join them on the weekends trials often look like a tournament of blade dancers just trying to fight to be the top blade dancer of them all moving on to number 5 on our list we're now in the second year of destiny 1. this was the launch of the taking king expansion at the end of 2015. night soccer was one of the brand new classes that launched with the expansion and boy did it give blade dancers a run for their money the night sucker looked similar to the night circle we have today in destiny 2. they had a smoke grenade in d1 that would slow and disorient enemies as it does now and it led to one of the most annoying playstyles to face in pvp if you were trapped in the smoke bomb you were in trouble but as long as you didn't take any extra damage you'd be okay and you could get out of there but nightstalkers figured out a way to make these smoke bombs way more deadly as soon as that smoke bomb left their hand the void grenade would be only pixels behind it because you were trapped in the smoke for so long these follow-up grenades would kill you before you could even escape this smoke bomb plus void grenade duo became known as the wombo combo and players definitely still use it today but just like the blade dancers night suckers also came with their own movement ability that was considered just as overpowered shadestep was very similar to the gambler's dodge that every hunter has access to today but back then it was exclusive only to the nightstalker subclass and at the taken king launch you could do two of them very quickly with almost no cooldown just like in early d2 shadestep was able to break any and all tracking and aim assist we've already talked about how broken the tracking grenades like the firebolts and arc bolts were but nightstalkers were able to completely negate those just by using their dodge to make things worse most nightstalkers used the exotic helmet graviton forfeit which at the time gave shade set for free in destiny 1 we had more control over our subclasses kind of like the new void 3.0 model you're able to select any nodes that you wanted in the skill tree this meant you could get all the massive benefits from shadestep but without much of a cost when you're running the graviton helmet you can also use the night soccer perk called keen scout since shadestep was given to you already and keen scout would mark your enemies through walls with a little red x just like the modern faux tracer helmet knight suckers became very hated for how powerful they were in the crucible you could encounter the wombo combo with a titan barricade like today or an acre stash like you can in destiny 2. you just get slowed down and hit by the nade and eventually die oh and by the way tyler was actually a pretty decent super back then too now we're moving into the second era of our list destiny 2 launched through the end of forsaken in the first year of destiny 2 hunters received a lot of hate for the same reasons as destiny 1. they were again the most popular class and therefore their voice was the loudest and perceived like they were complaining the most which meant they were calling for a lot of nerfs to titans and warlocks but things really heated up when the go fast update made arch striders one of the strongest subclasses in the crucible and hunters were definitely hated for this one overnight the ark strider super regeneration was reduced by 25 supers were now available much faster than they were before the movement speedwall in your super was also dialed up so you could catch people much easier before the arc starter was so slow that they could basically never catch up to someone that was running away from them but the go fast update really helped to slow melee super quite a bit the arc strider's dodge animation was also made faster and attack animations happened quicker and the aoe range of the light and heavy attacks was also increased basically the architectures became fast and agile which made them much harder to kill during the double primary meta you gotta remember this was before special ammo existed in destiny 2 and primary weapons had a slower time to kill so if you saw an arc strider twirling at you well you were basically already dead but to make things worse there was one exotic that was so broken it single-handedly made hunters the most hated pvp subclass by miles added in season 3 the wormhouse crown initially gave an immediate health and super regeneration every time a hunter would dodge realistically this meant that hunter could use their dodge in almost every engagement to break aim assist break tracking and instantly start healing when they took damage season 3 competitive pvp was completely full of hunters wearing this helmet who would play the bottom tree arcstrider build to get that insanely useful dodge back as fast as possible and with this they could also take advantage of damage resist while they were performing the dodge this build dominated the competitive meta so hard that bungie eventually changed how the helmet worked to give it a small health bump instead of instant regeneration but wow did it draw some hate when it was first introduced as the warmind era came to a close bungie made a subtle change in patch 1.2.3 that would mostly go unnoticed by the playerbase for a while but as the players slowly started figuring out how to take advantage of this change the small tweak became perhaps one of the most complained about aspects of hunters in the history of destiny the infamous hunter boot stompies weren't really used all that widely in early destiny they buffed your sprint speed and slide distance but their signature bouncy nature only benefited the high jump option on hunter patch 1.2.3 though improved the other two jumps most notably the strafe jump which had become the go-to option for shotgun apes on hunter this change allowed players to bounce their heads on those ceilings to generate a tremendous amount of speed around pvp maps burnout for example is basically a stompy hunter's favorite playground since you can use the movement to rotate around the map super fast over time we really started to see a rise in hatred towards hunters just because of their movement this was mostly thanks to stompy's difficulty tracking the hunter jump and dodge on console and the dodge breaking aim assist in retrospect it's kind of funny to think back to how the movement exotics have risen in popularity only after a while in both destiny 1 and destiny 2. the bones of ao provided an extra jump to hunters in destiny 1 and over time those became a go-to option for many great players and in destiny 2 the zombies launched without a whole lot of notice but eventually became so heavily complained about that they finally are getting a nerf in season 17. it's now september of 2018 and we're heading into the forsaken era of destiny 2 and this means we need to talk about the spectral blades knight soccer spectral blades had almost as much damage resistance as the arc staff but it also had its own reason for being hated when you landed a precision kill while crouched on spectral blades you would immediately go invisible and have wall hacks this meant you could see where everyone was on the map while also disappearing yourself from the radar during this meta the not forgotten and luna's hollow were two of the best options for pvp and nightstalkers would pair these two hand cannons with a chaperone for some precision kills these headshot kills would then also proc your wall hacks and now you can line up the next kill if someone runs around a corner the same thing worked great for sniper rifles and it turned hunters into the best sniping class until the eventual buffs of the top tree dawnblade for those that didn't play destiny back in forsaken this might sound crazy overpowered and that's because it was crazy and overpowered pretty much every great hunter player was getting some huge kill streaks by abusing wall hacks the night soccer neutral game was just incredible but so was the super like i mentioned before spectral blades got a ton of damage resistance naturally but it could get even more damage resist while you were invisible the super lasted for a very long time and you could extend the super even more with an exotic chest piece called the grizz invest with this vest on you got a huge return of super energy any time you use the heavy attack to go invisible again after you got a kill this made your super last so long that you could run from one edge of the map to the other and kill the same person over and over again this thing was truly busted and when it launched it could be abused to keep your super going for minutes on end as long as you had one kill and kept refreshing the super of course spectral blades was not the only overpowered hunter subclass at the beginning of forsaken the new solar hunter super blade brush was insane in both pve and pvp it's been nerfed so many times though you can barely even recognize it from what it looked like back in forsaken with the exotic gloves shards of galanore you get refunded an insane amount of super energy every time you landed some hits and this was so much energy that you are throwing supers basically all the time in every activity in the crucible you are constantly getting blade barrage because hunters would get a majority of their super back every time they casted it just by wearing these gloves and the tracking on blade brush back then was insane the only time you didn't get a kill was if you pop your super at some weird angle and the super put you be on cover this thing practically gave you free kills just for pointing your camera anywhere near the enemy they basically counted every other super in the game outside of maybe the ursa furious the titan which was equally as busted as we're moving further down the forsaken era's timeline there were two weapon loadouts that were used religiously both of them are used by a majority of the player base but because everyone always saw hunters using them in pvp they were the ones who really got blamed for these crutches the first loadout was the spare rations hand cannon from the reckoning in the mind better's ambition shotgun from the hollow alert nightfall spare rations was the best in slot legendary hand candidate at the time it had a great recoil pattern for both pc and console players but was favored a little bit more on pc with some of the amazing perk options incredible range and some really high aim assist it became a go-to metahan cannon for many pvp players likewise the mindbender's ambition was the best in slot energy shotgun at the time it had awesome perks and featured the best shotgun archetype and it had the best one-shot kill range these two weapons paired together with the infamous zombie boots to make hunters wearing all black in the crucible public enemy number one this metal loadout dominated pvp for quite a long time and although both of them are sunset now it's a combo that probably won't be forgotten by many veteran players the second weapon loadout that was extremely popular back in forsaken was the mountaintop grenade launcher paired with the recluse smg this combo was particularly effective on hunter because with mountaintop you could jump high up in the air and shoot a mini rocket to the ground to deal some splash damage it was a lot easier to land these hits with them on top if you're way above them if you managed to hit them directly you'd get an insta kill and if you barely even touched them the mountaintop would still deal a ton of splash damage so much damage you can quickly swap to the recluse for some simple cleanup kills those mon top kills or the cleanups with the recluse but then proc the master of arms perk on rekkles which would buff your damage the kill time with the recluse and this perk together was basically call of duty levels of fast regardless of what kind of loadout they're using many players still see hunters as the sweaty tryhards of the community they crutch on whatever the best weapons are currently realistically there's probably just as many sweaty players that play on titan or warlock but the community hate has been mostly directed at the hunter class with the launch of shadowkeep a new system to customize our characters was added the seasonal artifact was born and it had some incredibly powerful mods there was one mod in particular that was so strong it became universally hated by the other classes arc battery gave you an overshield while using your class ability and it reduced your cooldown on activation by using class ability cooldown mods hunters could dodge roughly every 10 seconds arc batteries overshield stacked with a wormhole's crown which at this point gave a small health bump and shield bump that we have now all this also stacked with the damage resistance that you would get from dodging on the bottom tree arc strider so every 10 seconds or so hunters basically turned on god mode and became invincible imagine if every engagement you had against the hunter they were using the most powerful neutral game ability in destiny there were zero trade-offs and it was very easy for anyone to get the shortest possible dodge cooldown hunters were definitely hated for crutching with the warm house crown arc battery and bottom tree arcstrider and i can't really blame anyone for using this because it definitely became the most used build of that season later on in shadowkeep bungie released a brand new event that would see which class truly was the best guardian games had hunters competing against titans and warlocks to see who could earn the most medals whichever class collected the most was crowned the victor every day you could watch the standings of each class in the competition players around the world were ready to root for and compete for their favorite class to win but when the torch starting the very first guardian games was lit bungie crushed every hunter mains hopes of victory you see bungie knew that if the competition was one hunter metal equals one titan or warlock medal punchers would just automatically win because they have the most members so with the hopes of making the guardian games actually competitive bungie weighted each class's medals a little bit differently with this one decision the win was completely taken out of the hunter sales they won the competition on the first day but proceeded to lose every single day afterwards many hunters complained that titans were cheating or that bungie rigged things to make sure that it was impossible for hunters to win during an event that was supposed to be fun and create some healthy competition between the classes well community bickering instead soured the fun the bungie had planned they later came out and explained the reason that titans had won which included why hunters had no chance at winning bungie said that every titan that played was contributing more medals than each hunter was so even on the first day when hunters won titans still outperformed them hunters really only won because they had the most players show up a year later in the summer of 2021 hunters were able to redeem themselves though and win the second guardian games nothing too serious happened until november of 2022 when beyond light launched the three most broken subclasses in destiny 2's history the shadebinder warlock was the most complained about initially for being too powerful the behemoth titan was not viewed as a serious contender at first but later became known as one of the most powerful subclasses in destiny pvp the revenant hunter at launch was actually thought to be in a pretty good spot the super felt somewhat balanced as it really was the first reliable shutdown super for hunter since the original blade brush players were really only dying if they got frozen by silence first and then cleaned up with squall the shirt and melee was strong but not considered to be anywhere near as overpowered as the shadebinders ranged melee overall players actually seem to be enjoying the revenant someone even made a reddit post saying that revenant was the most balanced stasis of class they really had no idea what was coming did they initially very few players realize how powerful the shadow dive ability could be when combined with the glacier grenades and whisper of fissures it wasn't until drewski posted a revenant guide video showing off how insane the shadow dive was that this new playstyle really started to get noticed overnight everyone was leaping around in wwe smashing their stasis crystals i don't think i need to convince anyone about why hunters were hated during this period for months and months pretty much every hunter was a shattered eye of maine until it finally got nerfed not only could the shadow duck easily kill groups of regular players in pvp but it could also instantly delete pretty much any super in the game trials of osiris essentially devolved into a battle of who could smash the crystal first this combo was finally nerfed only for another aspect to come along and buff the total damage by adding an extra crystal that could be smashed out of all the periods on this list i think shattered have era may have been the most painful now we're in the final months leading up to the witch queen expansion a massive amount of ability changes have just been announced both reducing their lethality and also slowing down the cooldowns with one patch the crucible was instantly going to be far less ability spam focused or so we thought the unforeseen consequence of these changes was that everything that buffs a neutral game without directly dealing damage became more potent so things like zombies dune marchers and transversive steps are still top exotics but there is also some new exotics coming up in the meta to take advantage of these changes with void 3.0 launching alongside the witch queen expansion hunter mains found a newly rekindled love for the invisibility playstyle they now have even more ways to become invisible which makes exotics like the graviton forfeit more desirable this paired perfectly with some of the more annoying weapons to die to in the crucible of course fusion rifles are natural pairing with invisibility you go invisible then sneak close to your enemy and start pre-charging your fusion and peek out as soon as you're ready to let the shots fire and you effectively have a free kill invis also pairs painfully well with bows like lemonark aside from the high burst damage output it also deals in aoe damage from a perfect draw it has infinite ammo invisible players are always tough to play against and with so many hunters abusing this playstyle it's become yet another reason that many destiny players hate hunters but being invisible isn't nearly as annoying as being borderline unkillable with the launch of the witch queen one of the new hunter exotics was really slept on at first the sin lasts long though because just a few weeks later hunters were throwing duz-field grenades around every corner when you put on their renewal grasp exotic gloves your dust field grenades have a larger effect radius allies inside of your dust field also take less damage it's up there with the sagging exotic helmet on a warlock if all that wasn't enough enemies inside of your dustfill grenade also deal less damage and this could be paired with extra damage resist from the whisper of chains fragment on stasis ability cooldowns in pvp were nerfed but there were still plenty of ways to build for frequent grenade throws and many hunters would set up their builds so that their dustbill grenade was almost always available luckily this one's getting unjustified nerf as well just in time to figure out the next reason that the destiny community hates hunters but hey i'm still going to be a hunter main for life if you enjoyed this video be sure to subscribe if you haven't yet and let me know in the comments what you think about hunters and destiny i'm curious if you love them or you hate them up next i think you'd enjoy my video on 11 things that every hunter man does in destiny 2. it's linked in the description and also on the top right of your screen

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Published: Sun May 22 2022