🔴 A day in the life of a Developer Advocate at AWS

hey hello hello i just started the video hello world i know waiting to hear you [Laughter] so yeah but romaine is leading so i will not say anything he can say hello world gotta do it with the same enthusiasm too leave all the audience very with ear pain [Laughter] [Music] so are we all ready we should be because we are live yeah roman you're running this party come on man yeah absolutely so somehow the sun dropped but um yeah i think we are ready to go cool thanks for for being with us i'm dropping him a little bit you're dropping your sounds dropping a little yeah romaine we are losing you there always needs to be some issues why don't we do some introductions roman roman's getting his sound sorted where did you go marcia this is your your house really you're hosting this party so why don't you uh yeah so welcome everybody we are here in the life of a developer advocate so i have many friends with me uh maybe we can introduce ourselves and tell a little bit of what we are doing so maybe i can start by chris that you are the one in that side because romaine is muted [Music] hi everyone [Laughter] okay hi everyone my name is chris i'm trying to make sure you can see my face because i don't have a good camera but um i'm so excited to be here to answer all of all the amazing questions and uh i made developer advocates at amazon and it's basically on amplify so ask me questions related to both uh this kind of stuff and um generally being an advocate as well thank you awesome all right i'm the other chris and so um yeah so we've got two different types of da's probably worth mentioning so christian as he mentioned is amplify d.a um marcy and i we're more regionally focused so i am based in munich germany i'm from america i lived in australia for a long time all over the place i'm a citizen of the world and i live in germany now and i help out with i'm a dev advocate manager so i'm a developer advocate here in germany but i also lead the team looking after emerging markets which is like um sub-saharan africa middle east north africa russia cis central eastern europe and turkey so a big part of the world that's that's my area yeah and we have another amplified va as well here you let them in who let them in i don't know we're like split right now we're 50 50. yeah so i'm another service team da which means that i am embedded on the product team for amplify so we get to focus a lot on giving feedback directly to that product team and just focusing on that one area whereas you all get to know about all these different services we get to be a little bit more niche down and i like chris also manage developer advocacy team now as well so i can speak a little bit to that but i also do still a lot of individual developer advocacy work too yeah it's harder and harder the biggest team you have yeah exactly i've been we're four right now so we're still at the point where it's a small team okay and i can introduce myself for people that don't know me i'm marcia i'm a regional da for latin america but i do all kind of random stuff here and there because i cannot shut up uh so i ran the youtube channel serverless football where this is running also this is a bean show in romaine linkedin page so if you're watching us from there hello and welcome and yeah and we have romaine somewhere i don't know if he's ready to join uh the stream jar maybe he can give a thumbs up or something or shop make himself comfortable when he's ready i'm back yeah i had to switch computer for whatever reason that's the real life of a da having to deal with audio visual issues yup yeah that's correct you can introduce yourself now okay so i'm roman jordan i am leading a team of developer advocates at aws specifically a team of specialists who are looking after a different aspect of our portfolio cool so we have a kind of the eyes here especially regional service teams i don't know should we talk about the different roles for people to get an idea what is this about yeah that's probably a good way to start so uh maybe ali can you tell us more about uh what is a what is to be a da in the service team yeah exactly so we are embedded directly within the amplify team there's also embedded da's on other service teams so serverless you've probably seen them on social media sometimes as well there's the containers folks there's a dynamo dvda there's a cognito open source open source open source yeah yeah so there's lots of developer advocates who followed these different service areas and so we specialize really deeply in that one area so uh on my team we're mostly mobile and front-end developers who are really speaking to that type of customer and relating to them but also since we're so embedded on that product you know i'm speaking to that since i report to the uh head pm for our org as well we get to work a lot with shaping the way that the product looks so we do a lot with writing friction logs on what maybe isn't the best right now on our products and really are in from zero on a lot of our products as well like in the initial meetings of what is this thing going to be and editing the initial documents for them making sure that the api is going to look good and then also being kind of the first testers once the product is almost ready to launch once the devs focus finish their testing work too that's also important but that's a little bit of what a service team da is we're super specialized and very product focused but would love to hear about you all da's and you all's roles as well so what you're saying is if we have amplify issues you two are the ones that we pester yes and then we'll pass through somebody else awesome awesome good to know and if people in the audience have questions for us just shut them in the chat and we will take them so this is an interactive session this is not pre-recorded so we are having technical issues as you see [Laughter] that works yeah so what about you mafia and and chris i mean both of you are regional da's so what does it mean to be a regional da yeah i'm not a manager so for me it's just managing community and content creation and agendas for events so it's uh not managing people that i'm very grateful for uh because managing myself is enough uh but i do a lot of things i'm a regional da for latam so i work with the field marketing organization helping them to create agendas for their content figuring out how we can make customers shine how we can help the community with their community events user groups um we are always in the look for new aws heroes we are helping community builders in the region uh so we do quite a lot of work there and then also as the a i get to do a lot of different things i run a podcast some of you might know they don't use challah technicas that is our spanish one of our spanish podcasts uh i write for chef bar blog so that's super exciting i run this youtube channel where you are watching me so for me it's all about content creation that's my passion so yeah yeah i would just say everything marcia said i mean it's very similar to the difference i guess between like a regional focused solutions architect and a specialist too you know where we have to kind of be generalists i guess a little bit more you guys get to really go deep in a particular area and in our team i mean everybody's got their area that they're of course passionate about like marcy is very much on the serverless side of things do not put her near an actual server but um but we don't yeah we don't have to luxury burn and we don't have the luxury of being able to actually go quite as deep as you guys do with the particular technology so we have to be quite general and depending on you have to know your region quite well you know i've just been hiring some more people for emerging markets like trying to find someone for middle east north africa like someone who knows the particular challenges in those regions because it's different it's very different than than the challenges that developers in france or the developers in south africa are facing so you really need people who know the community who know uh what are the events what are the big third-party events that we should actually be at which are the communities that we should be supporting um you know uh should we have a podcast in this in this region do people actually listen to them there you know they're not big everywhere um you know in some regions developers are really just still starting out on the cloud i know for a lot of people it feels like we've been using the cloud for a long time but there are still a lot of interesting point yeah and nordics is like super deep into the cloud is super like getting started and the problems are different they are more concerned about how much thing costs and how to migrate to the cloud and then nordics is like let's use the latest and coolest and shiniest technologies like okay i need to approach this in a different way 100 yeah very much so and so you've got to be able really as a regional da to like go super deep but also go super high level if you need to for people who are just starting out and answering to that question that somebody's asking in the chat do you need to live in the region to be at the airport region i am a latin region and live in finland you might need to travel yeah i think you're a special case um i mean for for the roles i'm hiring for look this year the last we all know this the last 18 months have been really weird and unusual i think the expectation we have is that next year we will start doing more in-person events again and we're also super excited for that so especially with emerging markets like uh for example we've pre-announced that we're gonna have a new region launching in dubai next year and so we imagine we're going to be doing a lot of events there around that so i kind of do for that one needs somebody who lives there but it really just depends on the region and how many in-person things they expect you to need to do yeah thank you so just um on the to finish on this point so i'm representing the species da's so um that's another breed of da's again uh which is a kind of hybrid between geos and uh and uh you know the as in service team so we are working with sales team but um with a couple of service team not not one uh particular service team so we are actually working against personas and and their needs so um we have um so we talk about that we we talk often about builders so by builders we mean different personas we mean uh software developers we mean data scientists we mean uh cloud architects and um and um i t architect ikey pros or or devops so what so we um my team is focusing on representing their needs internally and also building the content which is appealing to them so well um my team for example on the modern app development aspect are not going to talk about only 7s or only only mp5 they will talk about everything around that like the um the tooling the um the ides that you need the uh the different languages and so on so um it's uh it's a it's a global scope so they are not tied to a particular region but but they are covering a particular domain let's say i've seen that there were a lot of questions related to the background and how do you become a da so uh maybe that's a question for everybody actually if you could share some of your background and uh how did you become a da so ali would you would you like to start yeah for sure so i started off as a software engineer i was primarily backend actually i know people probably think of me more as a friend and developer and i work up front and now but i worked mostly building like data science pipelines early in my career and then we kept losing end developers and so i had to cover that role as well and so i started to do more of that and then i moved into a teaching role for three years and by the end of that i was the faculty lead at general assembly which is a coding bootcamp um where i was focused mostly on teaching react and building out their react curriculum which transitioned pretty well into developer advocacy but i've only been full-time as a developer advocate for a year so i've really been doing it mostly as a hobby of having my own programming blog and having uh my own podcast with my friends and things like that so in a lot of ways i was creating content and working with communities but i was not doing it as my primary job i guess that leads into some of the other questions as well of what your advice would be to become a developer advocate and i think with anything it's almost like doing the job before you have the job of putting yourself out there and creating stuff and helping developers out so that's a little bit about my career path i started off normal software engineer then went into teaching and now i'm a developer advocate i didn't know you did ga ga is awesome that's really cool yeah yeah yeah it's a awesome program it was so cool to see my students learn and grow and one of the coolest things is i now have former students who work as software engineers on the amplify team so and i think that is a common pathway i think there are other da's on our team who've come from a training and certification background so that that is one common pathway definitely so what about you chris what's your background not me new guy chris new guy chris go for him okay christian okay yes so i i have um content background as ali um but my first my first job was as a customer success engineer so i kind of like not necessarily that like i was i was i had like a part-time thing going on before i became a customer success engineer but then while i was doing the customer thing i realized like how much i care about like creating content to to like raise to right like spread around faqs and okay this is confusing and okay let me let me let me make this available to everyone and from there i fell in love with writing and then i wrote a lot and while i was writing uh one of my friends uh like volume told me about the conference i was speaking at that one of the conferences we have in africa it's called for loop uh so i i just saw my name on the website as a speaker what yeah yeah that was my first time ever speaking and then i went and then i spoke and pulled loved it and it kind of became a thing uh yeah so like i did i studied a lot all of this before the role developer advocacy started becoming a thing so when when the role became popular was okay this is where i belong because i've been doing this for a while makes sense okay thank you christian so now chris that's your turn yeah uh well i'm probably the least you know the furthest away from from a dev career for all of you i mean i started my career as a developer but a long time ago as a front end dev and then have basically been getting less and less hands-on i mainly just do it for fun now so for me i came at it from a community standpoint i was very involved back in australia with helping run meetup groups i'm still an organizer for sydney technology leaders shout out um and so i got into conference speaking so i was doing a lot of um yeah a lot of talks at meetups and a lot of talks around australia and then i got invited to a tech conference in europe which is how i ended up meeting the team here and moving over here but for me it was very much coming through the community side of things of of liking to help people get going about forming support networks and and mentoring and and so for me that was my way and i'm probably probably one of the the less technically deep of the da's but i'm i'm more of a manager these days really and marcia you were you're a game dev weren't you well i'm uh dead by trade so i work from banks to assembler to games so i'm coding since i'm very young so that's always been my passion and teaching always so i i taught my cousin to read and write i learned and then the first thing i did was to teach him how to read and write because he was useless if he didn't know that he's three years younger than me and that was my beginnings in teaching and i'm getting others exposed to new technologies and since then i thought all my nanny's english because that's a very important thing to do on my grandma computers so i've been trying to teach people since i have a memory of and i've been coding since i have a memory of so this is a role i fall into uh i met at my first year was adrian horsby he is the finnish was the finnish ta well nordic ta in that time and i started talking to him and he was like telling me all things about this role i was like oh my god that's the perfect show i was a game developer for for angry birds by then and he was like i think he was thinking like ah i will catch you later and one year later when uh he was like there is an open position in nordics maybe you should try and i was like [Laughter] but that time i was already an aws hero because i was creating a lot of content and i also landed in a public speaking position because somebody like you should go and speak go go go and i was like i never spoke in public you should give it a try and i did it and i enjoy it a lot so it's been it's been a ride but right definitely this is my place this is what i love doing so i think a few of the da's came from being heroes and community builders as well so that that's definitely another pathway it's not an official pathway but they seem to seem to somehow end up on the team regardless yeah you're kind of doing it for free beforehand it's basically the truth so it's a good good career approach yeah michael on our team went through that path so michael lagando if anybody has questions for him he's also on the internet should we segue into the actual interview process i see lots of questions about that and uh roman i mean maybe this one for you roman because you're the one who's got the most open roles at the moment i think probably yeah i spend most of my time interviewing candidates and also it relates to another question which um we wanted to to tackle um how what are we looking into das so let's talk about the the interview process first so uh basically um the uh the interval process is the is the following we we are running um you know phone screen interviews um so um the first step is for us to understand your motivation to join aws and and why this specific role and um and we are trying to understand um you know your fit for the role in terms of functional skills and uh and what are the functional skills that we are looking uh for we are looking for people that are able to engage with a community of builders so we have talked a lot about developers but it could be different type of of builders that we are talking to so um i have position open at the moment for security da's and cloud network ndas so i'm not necessarily looking for one developer to cover that but someone with a strong networking background or or very strong security background would would um would fit very well so um so the community engagement is is really important so how do you engage with users and how do you um you know explain um complex stuff and and make it super easy to understand this is also something which is um uh very important for us as a da and that's also probably why we we like to hire the you know people like um ali because she has been a teacher she has been a trainer so she this is her forte too to make things easy to understand so uh and we expect ideas to be to be in that position as well and and i think the other aspect and that's probably more for specialist da's and and service team da's is we are also looking at people that are able to represent the voice of customers internally and and and and specifically influence the product development so ali um you you talked about that earlier um how you are collecting the feedback from uh from from amplify users but also you as a practitioner how you use amplify every day to to find the frictions that developers can can uh find and eventually go back to product management and engineering to improve that experience right so so the phone screen um is is really about you know and this understanding this um these feats for for the role can i have a rant there roman because the biggest problem i had with hiring is people would put through their cvs but it was just like a developer cv you know it didn't have what are some talks you've done that i can see online where's your blog where where's your pod like we want to see your community engagement so that's my number one tip if you want a da roll is to actually customize your cv and highlight that stuff because otherwise i sit there for 20 minutes looking you up on youtube or trying to find your twitter or trying to find your blog your medium blog dev2 whatever because i want to see your thought leadership i want to see your contributions i want to i'll look you up on meetup.com and see what meetups you're a member of i want to see all that i don't want to know that you delivered this you know system for a customer that's nice and that's good you need that developer skills but i i would say i want to see that stuff i did see somebody asked about level of aws experience that was a question i was looking for yeah and i would actually say it's probably less crucial than you think it is like obviously cloud experience is important um if you're coming from another you know a different cloud background i expect you can probably if you're good pick it up you know so so i wouldn't say you need content about it yes yes yes yes so uh we have people on our team who came from non-aws backgrounds yeah i'm one of those people i'm still trying to figure out aws yeah i also think that ali should see a few things about this question because she's currently hiring and like how she can she like the things that people like she looks like she's looking for in candidates yeah yeah yeah so i have a list of must should and nice for candidates to have four developer advocacy roles so the musts are having a deep knowledge of the technology area that i'm looking for so i'm specifically looking for mobile devs right now so android or flutter if anybody's in the audience looking for those kind of girls hit me up but then the next part is having really clear communication skills so both for communicating with the pms to tell them what to work on and also the other folks on the team uh engineers and marketing and all these different people that you're collaborating with as a developer advocate but also with customers telling them how to work these things and making sure that you can take their feedback and reiterate to them that you are bubbling it up to product or whatever you're doing with that feedback so having clear communication skills is really important both on a written and spoken basis next piece is being empathetic and customer obsessed that's a huge huge part of being a developer advocate is thinking about the customer first who's actually using this product put yourself in their shoes and make sure that you're also really working backwards from them making sure that you are thinking through what they're trying to do with their use cases and making sure that you're implementing the product in order to fit those use cases and it's hard for experts to like put themselves back in what it was like when you're new right yeah oh definitely so that's that's exactly what i'm also doing like it's a good advantage for my team that i have no aws yeah so like i'm really like not much i'm experiencing under other aspects of engineering i'm really like a complete newbie with aws so i'm asking all these stupid questions because i know that beginners will generally have is like if i have issues with it uh like imagine someone who's just out of school who doesn't have a background engineering that would be worse for the person so i'm intentionally pointing out those those basic like mistakes and docs because i know that there was this confused me like for one second and that one second is like a hour for somebody who has not done an engineer in the past so yeah i think that's huge and then should is being involved in communities already so are you already in the discord group for flutter devs i don't even know if that exists but are you already involved with where the developers are for that type of community and then having experience so that you can explain amplify thoroughly to somebody else so you don't need to necessarily have amplify experience in and of itself but are you able to explain what a database is and can you talk about serverless versus server full and can you talk about sql versus nosql those types of things will really help in the role even if you don't know aws or amplify having some sort of experience with the underlying technology so that you can explain them to somebody else as big as well and also the pain points with them like what is hard what is the product solving and making it easier um then another should have is having experience creating public content so blog posts talks videos every developer of the kid is going to be different and it doesn't you don't need to have like 100 000 views on them it's just putting yourself out there and putting stuff out there that is resonating with somebody and then nice to have would be having an existing audit ants to share content to you that's definitely not the most important thing by any means with a developer advocate but if you have some sort of built up community as is that you can be uh communicating with that's a big leg up um having previous developer advocate experience and then also having aws experience is a nice to have so that's a little bit about my matrix of what i'm looking for in a da so in your inner interviews ali do you actually have them so we make them do a mock presentation so a couple of them for regional da's do you do as well so we historically did i moved away from that more recently to doing a portfolio of their content instead just because i think the presentation's a little bit like high pressure and also is another time that i have to get all my interviewers into one room so i've made it so that it's a portfolio instead but up until recently we didn't have that mock presentation too so that's a good point that the process varies by team so for my team we still do we still do those we actually also have them do a writing exercise on my team as well which is really important amazon's got a heavy writing culture so you better enjoy writing lots of documents um and beyond that i mean i think ev the the generic amazon interviewing advice about like the leadership principles and stuff applies how did you how did you approach your loop christian how did you approach preparing to be interviewed then oh you're on me you're on me yeah my recruiter did that's another thing we we should also talk about like i had like a fantastic recruiter and he he prepped me with like okay this is what's going to happen on this day this is who you should expect and this is what you'd expect so he had like a whole detailed pdf document and had like lots of calls with me trying to prep me for all of those so it was a very smooth experience and with the present presentation question you asked uh apparently ali made me the presentation and then she stopped it after me yeah but it wasn't it wasn't it was already um a talk which is one thing about being like if if you're if you're planning to be a da yes there are chances you have like talks in the past you've made and so ali was good enough to say hey don't prepare and you talk just just bring something you've had in the past like it's very chilled and then i had a lot of fun i had a lot of good questions it wasn't like i don't like for me at least it's preachable for me i don't feel pretty because the interviewers as well we are very um like it was more like a conversation i wasn't feeling like i was being interviewed so uh at some point i lost track of this was an integral of just chatting throughout the rest of the call which was really cool so yeah it's it's a very smooth experience i don't know about any other person but like i had i think i had like a great experience being interviewed and being hired for both the presentation and all the calls and all of that yeah how about the technical part of the interviews what do you all do for that i can speak about ours too um for the for the regional da's we usually cover that mainly in the first phone screen um because we really want to get the sort of functional part of it out of the way like do you actually have depth and so we have sort of a shared and they're not like gotcha questions i know people expect us to ask like how many golf balls fit in a car no it's it's like explain what happens when you type amazon.com in your browser you know we want to know if you can and not just that you know it but that you can explain it to somebody you know um so really it's it's not gotcha questions obviously you're gonna go deeper on specific technologies than we would we're kind of looking and we're kind of looking to find out like where are people stronger and where are their gaps nobody's got everything yeah so basically we would base question on your resume if you are if you are saying that you are a java expert expect questions about java and and uh and because if you are say that if you are saying that um you are you know very experienced with spring boots you would have questions about that that's for sure if we don't ask questions about uh if you are you know a front-end developer we won't ask you questions about i don't know um uh deep security topics or or i mean it doesn't make sense we try to to frame our question based on your experience so to summarize a bit of the the interview process because we started with the phone screen and then suddenly we talked about loop so there's there's the phone screen which is the the first way for us to um to understand your your um your feed for the role and whether we we want to proceed with you and also for you it's also a very um a very good way to to make a um um to get an understanding of of the role and and you have the ability to ask questions so to make sure that it's it's a good fit for you as well we want to make sure that it's a it's a two-way street that you have opportunities to ask questions um so once we have the phone screen done and we are all happy with that we will proceed to the other uh part of the process which is called the the on-site interview which internally we refer as a loop uh so the on-site although most of on-site are now virtual but we still call them on-site interviews and this is where we are asking you questions and and it's very important that you come prepared to those for those interviews because we want to understand what you have achieved so far and we want to understand that through the lens of our amazon leadership principles so so we will ask you questions about your experience so far when you work with um with your colleagues when you work on with customers what have you done for customers what have you done to learn because um a very important aspect of the job of da's is continuously learning so learning and being curious is super important for that position so because as christians said i mean you may not come from a background where you had a lot of experience with aws but we expect the candidate to be able to pick it up quick quickly and to learn very fast so we want to make sure that we have people that can explain what is uh how to how they learn and we don't want any wavy answers we really want you to come with clear examples of how you deal how are you you you achieved your you know past successes like learning stuff so for example i had a project i knew i knew nothing about javascript so those are the steps that i took to to be successful and this is the results so maybe marcia you can talk about us the about the star methodology what is star because you are stunned a whole video with chris about it yeah yeah we talked about this for an hour but basically the star methodology is a very important way that we structure our uh questions so basically the first part is to explain the situation because we don't know you can come with any situation in the world so we need to get the context what you were doing what was the task in hand st situation task and then what you did what were the activities involved for you to i don't know learn javascript from nothing to have something what what were the steps and be i i noticed a lot with interviews it's like how you learn that i did a course that's not good for me i need more depth so i will ask you what kind of course how you found the course have you and making me going to all these silly questions in a way it's wasting my questions so if you come and you tell me i found a course in coursera i google it because i found blah blah blah and you give me everything then i can make a more interesting follow-up question and i can get more information to have a better case for you and to try to get you into the team so that's a tip i will give to everybody that when i ask you how you learn this don't tell me i found a course i bought the book tell me who gave you the book how you found the book how you did the research how many courses you have in place in order to find that specific course why you choose that course give me the thought process because i don't care that you learn javascript i care about your learning process i care about everything and the last step is the results so after you give me all the actions i want to know did you learn javascript how long it took you to learn javascript what you were able to do with javascript did you got a shop did you got your project what was the result that you accomplished with that learning so the whole story is great and if you put it in that format that will make my note taking so much easier and my follow-up questions will be more interesting and that's not specific to amazon the star methodology i think a lot of places use it and it's you don't have to answer like i've actually had candidates be like situation you don't have to actually like use it it's just help you to like like think about your answers and yeah as mercy says being really specific i did think of one other trait for a da actually i want to call out specifically for the regional da's um there's a sort of element of almost like project or program management as well because we deal like in central eastern europe there's 17 different languages there i do not expect darko who is our developer advocate to know all 17 of those languages so a lot of what he does is working with other aws teams in those regions so he kind of has to be the owner and the driver of all the different activities but he has to do that through other people so i think there's an element really the the more senior you get at aws as a da is about scaling through others and so being able to put together a strategy and a plan being able to build a network and influence people those are all really important traits so it's not just about you personally going out and standing in front of a stage because you can't scale like christian cannot scale to talk to every developer that he possibly wants to talk to he's going to have to leverage other people externally and internally to get that message out of the shop you don't see no no that's not the rock star sexy part that's that's like the sitting in a meeting and trying to get 20 people a line part martial you said something very important i think you said i want to capture it well basically i'm paraphrasing that you wanted to capture the data to make the case for candidates and that's super important to understand it so so during the on-site interview you will be actually interviewed by five to six people uh one by one and our job as interviewers is to collect data from you and that's why we we insist on using the star methodology because it helps you as a candidate to make things easier to for the interviewer to understand your experience what was the problem and and for us to get a sense of the impact of your work and that's that's the thing and with that and and that's why we are asking questions we don't want to be you know we are we are nice people and uh and uh and we really want to to to make sure that this interview is a great experience um and and we want to capture the data we want to help you interviewers are here to help you and uh and then we make the case internally so with the data we we collected we say yes i believe that this candidate is an amazonian and would be great fit in this role sometimes we have to say no this is not a great fit but i believe this person would be a great fit for another role at the aws so this is also very interesting in the way we run interviews at aws you are not just interviewing for one role you are interviewing to join aws and then you have abilities to to to be moved to oh thanks i think that's a really good point roman like i know people get discouraged if they don't get the role they're going for and i think it's worth talking about there's so many reasons you might not get that role it might be that someone was further along in the process with you it might be that you're just missing one of those must-haves like every hiring manager like ali says have a have a list that they're looking for and what we do is we're really good at amazon about recycling candidates to try and find them if we think that they're a good future long-term amazonian we'll try and find a role for them so don't be discouraged i know lots of people at amazon at aws who've actually gone through the loop gone through that process a couple times to get the right role for sure and that could look like okay this person might not be a front-end d.a they might instead be a d.a for startups or they might be a back-end d.a in some other org or it could be that they're more of a pm or they are more of an essay or uh i'm trying to think of either other roles that would fit as well or maybe even just a software engineer or something along those lines so i think thinking through that is really important and usually instead of having to go through the whole entire loop all over again you normally would just do like one follow-up interview to make sure that you'd actually be a good fit for that role and roman knows i actually i'm i'm kind of cheeky because i i'll do a lot of interviewing for like essays and tams and stuff and i will literally be like why didn't you go for a developer advocate role which i always i'm always on the lookout for good days yeah that's [Laughter] okay um i think we covered this um i don't know whether we have a more question on on topic i think uh it's quite important for us to talk about the typical day because that was the topic of today what is a typical day in the life of a d.a and maybe uh martial you can start with that what is a typical day you know this thing that they say they won for me it's always day one i'm always learning something new i always figuring out something i don't know what i did yesterday it was like two million years ago so for for me it goes in season so it depends what season we are if it's uh after ring event it might be a quiet season i might have time to produce a lot of content and not do much interaction and just get prepared you know like the little ants that prepare for the winter uh if it's now this time of the year i might be getting ready for ring event so i have a lot of rainbow things on my list and i have a lot of different meetings to go so it goes in seasons like that and the same with the community work there is times that the community is on holiday so you have more time to chill and to do some other things so you need to be very very very organized and that's something i learned when i joined this i was always very organized but i never had so many projects and so diverse set of projects so you really need to figure out a system that works for you that reminds you things like three weeks later when you promise that you will come back to that thing and you can come back to that thing and not forget it uh because nobody's micromanaging you so you need to be on top of all the different activities and and and that's uh part of the work so creating content organizing things and be on top of million different things so it's very very fun so if you like that type of work join us you will never be bored what's your experience ali oh my goodness i think i'm the same that there's no typical day whatsoever that being said uh i work in cycles normally so i will start off with trying to create a demo and writing a friction log on that so a friction log is essentially a document that's like here's this thing that's really amazing about this product here's what really went well here's what wasn't amazing but wasn't awful either and here are the things that if i was a customer i would quit at this point like if i were not doing this as part of my job this is something that would completely turn me off of this and so that goes back to the product team um and then from there usually i wait for anything critical to be fixed on that and then create a blog post on that demo and then create a video using the blog post as a script for that and then if it becomes popular then i'll usually make it into a course on a platform and also make it into a conference stock so it's this flywheel of content where i'm reusing the same stuff over and over again but hitting different learners where they're at and appealing to their learning styles and then a lot of it's also just being an early product meetings and giving my feedback on things like that and being the first user for a lot of these products as well and making sure that they're good to go before launches and doing strategy meetings now as well so now that i'm a manager it becomes a little bit more high level as well where i'm in a lot of one-on-ones with different people and creating a lot of the strategy for um the team as well so that's a little bit of world work yeah yeah and i imagine christian are you still in onboarding land we have a long onboarding you know sort of phase at aws oh did i just he froze oh there he is so i have like a very weird internet but yeah i think i'm good so i i i been i'm having like onboarding for the past month which is like i was waiting to jump on the team like hey i've built the amazing thing with i'm fine like i've saved the day and then like i realized i have like a lot of like onboarding process there's like a huge body process to go to it's good because i get to let a lot of the culture the team the products and all of that but so far that's what my day has been like but in the past in my previous job it seemed like it was similar to what mercy and ali described it's like very unpredict unpredictable um but you you it's unpredictable but exciting so just like i said if you like a kind of where you don't want to do uh like the same thing like you don't want to do something every day if you're not the kind of person that like likes a redundance type of rule but you just come back to them every day then yeah it's for you because it's a valid changing they can work out like and then you realize you just travel at least pretty convenient to travel to a different country to speak at a conference about something you've never ever technology you've never like really used before so like all those spontaneities what you get to experience is for me it's a lot of fun because you get to learn a lot of things at a very fast pace which is really cool sorry about my dog barking at the recycling i was wondering whose it was i think yeah i i think anybody at amazon would tell you that on any given day you'll have like 25 things to do and only time to do like 10 of them um so i i second what everybody else here is saying that that no two days are the same and you really have to be on top of managing your own calendar like as a regional da you know i might expect in a given week that you'll you'll meet like our main stakeholders are like the regional marketing leads and so you'd catch up with them and talk about what the priorities are for the region you know what events are coming up you might be working on content you know as marcia talked about you might be filing a pfr for a service team like ali talked about you could be running a game day or writing a blog post um i actually went to a meetup last night like we still actually do that we actually just attend meetups and be there and like see what's happening and talk to people people with human it was virtual it was virtual wow that was virtual i got excited already i had dinner with one of our heroes last week i actually had met someone in the community so that was great to talk to them and understand what's what's good and what their pain points are um and then as a manager yeah i i spend a lot of time in one-on-ones and hiring uh but also i should mention like beyond just that stuff like i'm a member of the women at amazon affinity group so we have these groups you can join at amazon uh to actually um for different sort of underrepresented groups in tech there are all kinds of stuff that you can get involved with i'm also a bar raiser so i help out with interviews for other teams so that always takes up a little bit of my time as well um yeah there's a lot you can do i saw didn't you tweet yesterday ali you had like 10 things to do or something like that like it's always the way oh yeah no i especially as a manager it's like i had quintuple meetings so five meetings that were supposed to be at the same time yesterday let's turn down four of them i could only sorry a little bit yeah was it one with you roman oh yeah my biggest tip to new people on the team is get really good at email filtering because we're an email heavy company and yeah if you want to manage your time you need to block out your calendar and get ahead of your email yeah i block out my calculator in advance so any like two hour slot that gets blocked for me to actually work instead of be in meetings i think that's a really important strategy um our gm of our department so like our general manager gave me the advice that there's always going to be too many balls for you to juggle you have to decide which balls are rubber and which ones are glass and keep the glass ones in the air and drop all the rubber ones i love that yeah yeah yeah yeah that perfectly summarizes my day-to-day life i think it's a good segue to a question we are getting often from candidates about work and life balance do we want to talk about that because there are so many things to do as a da so how do we handle that you learn to say no marcia i think you're a good person to talk about that because i have seen your lovely family on calls sometimes yeah well i have a three-year-old kid and a husband that is very supportive on my career so that helps but i also make very clear decisions not to work on weekends a lot of events happen on weekends and i'm very clear that weekends and fridays after four o'clock are for my family and you don't get over that and i'm very honest it's like sorry guys i know you're doing community day there are other days that can help you i'm with my family because we get because i work for latam i work a lot of nights very late like today i'm working it's eight o'clock in the night but i know which days i i book them in my calendar so this day of the weeks are the ones i work two or three days a week late and others i work very little very early so i'm very conscious on the amount of hours i work because i'm burned out many times in my life so i count my hourly work week and i don't send it to anybody but i try to keep my count around 40 so i don't burn myself because this is a marathon this is a very tough work you are always asked for more people come and ask you for more so you either say no because you don't have the space to take it or then you tell well i need to drop this other thing that is not that important or postpone it so you really need to know what is the amount of berber that you can chew in the current moment and be very honest with yourself because nobody after you say yes you own it and you need to deliver so if you say no i can't then people totally understand but if you say yes then it's it's on your table you commit yeah yeah and also our job is quite creative so sorry christian i think that the creativity of this role is really important so you need to give you space to think and uh and that's super important look in time in the calendar people laugh but i vlog every day of the week two hours just to think uh to create content uh if not i cannot make a weekly youtube video or a two weekly post uh for my for my podcast or right every couple of weeks to chef bar i need to sit down and just think i cannot have meetings so and you should not feel bad to say no don't put me meetings between this time and this time this is my time this is my ultimate life hack is to work a staggered schedule from a lot of the rest of the team so my team is the amplified team is mostly in pacific time in seattle and i work mostly eastern hours so i have like three hours in the morning before anybody else gets online to work every day but i would one-up everybody else or plus one everybody else that i work a very standard day uh normal work hours i put pretty big limits on these things and sometimes i do have to take an event that's a little bit after work hours or something along those lines but then i'll stagger my other days so that i'm getting in a little bit late or something along those lines and that's something that i definitely would uh encourage from my team as well and i think that goes along with travel as well that once that comes back it's i think that asynchronous content is honestly just as if not more valuable than conferences at this point in history and so it's up to them how they balance it with their different audiences and what they want to do so um i would say that i put that kind of in the da's court instead of deciding myself whether people should be traveling or not yeah i'm a weird one oh you go christian you've been waiting you go i think i have like a very happy i experienced kyogre i feel like like everyone who is who is the communist might benefit from actually this question of life work-life balance so i i guess as i'm from i'm originally from nigeria and i had a lot of issues uh trying to get visa to travel both as an individual and is employed in the job back then and just for just a certification uh but then when i started doing advocacy role in my previous job i am able to talk to those because the the immigration officer can have something that they did not consider something uh strong going on but then what happened was i started traveling a lot for conferences and when i'm going about well i want to try out my friends generally very excited for me hey i could go to this country you've not been to and i get to see this new and fancy place and i would go then what end up happening is when you get to the new country you never you are every day and after the event you just want just lay your bed rest for the rest of the trip and travel back so i realized i did this like very almost great friends and every city i went to texas because i had to like i prepared my talk practice in my hotel room like get nervous until yeah i would give you talking about the stuff and then when it happened i started waiting for i should have just decided i was traveling because like i'm asked have you been to i've been to london yes i've been to london i don't know anyway it's like i just need the hotel i stayed and the conference i spoke which is yeah it's like this coming from like more okay this is made and anyone who is considered to become a d a generally like advice you are going to get into it's very easy sometimes get busy you think that the actuality you're speaking is you climb on stage but then you actually ready for the talk you're getting the what's about they are trying to like come down a lot of you have to account for it has been part of the work you've done and what you did afterwards for seeing a lot of actually like explaining our computers we're losing your audio a little bit christian but i i think you're talking about actually i i was on a work trip last week my first one in like a year and i was chatting to one of the other da's dennis about it we were actually saying we feel like we might like take a productivity hit when we start traveling again because right now you like get up you go in your bedroom you can do everything from like your office spending time in like airports and stuff is going to be such a pain um yeah but yeah you do have to account for that time really and and for me what i was going gonna say is like i'm in awe of like ali and marcy that you actually do set limits and set your daily hours because one of the things i like about this job is how flexible it is i am not a morning person so i will tend to not do things i'm useless until the afternoon really and uh actually quite into the evening so i like that i have a lot of flexibility to adjust my calendar and like today was the first sunny day we've had in ages so i was like you know what actually the most important thing right now is for me to go out and ride my bike and i just got i snuck in a bike ride at lunch it was so great like it really just refreshed me um it's but yes you do have to make up for that like i know there are going to be times like in the lead up to re invent here where it's going to be super busy and we make up for that we try i try and make sure that the da's on my team balance that stuff out you know if they need to to work on a weekend or something we'll take some days off the next week to make up for it because i really don't want i don't want this job to only be for people who don't have a family and who love to travel like it's great if that's you but that shouldn't rule you out from being a d.a if that's not the case totally yeah so speaking of that what are the crappy parts that we don't see in this world one other thing that uh we should we should uh you know share with uh with the audience about um the not so sexy part of the of the role five meetings at once was it ellie how many emails did you have in your inbox when you got back from your holiday of martial i don't know yeah thousands yeah those aren't fun yeah no i don't read them i should signal them that's the first day after holidays go through all your emails i would say actually one thing that's important to call out is how we track our impact and that's kind of maybe something people don't think about like they just see you on stage and they assume yeah you got to prep content you got to travel you got to talk on stage but actually how do you track you know we we have a lot of mechanisms we developed to try and say okay well how many people were there how many people watched that video how many people went on to like click through and do the call to action and that means you have to be a little bit organized you have to like follow up and fill out some paperwork and there's a little bit of bureaucracy involved because if we can't show and explain the impact we're having you know that doesn't help us as a team to show how we're enabling our customers so that's that's a part i think people forget about yeah and also it's not just the number of views it's also the impact that this presentation ad on people so what's the feedback we're getting because um our goal is really to continuously improve the experience we deliver to customers so um i think that being able to collect the feedback making sure that whatever we deliver to to you is uh you know um matching your needs and and probably going even beyond that so um so we need to have this feedback loop where everything we produce is is also something that we can measure in terms of quality and impact yeah i would say another piece of it is just the amount of communication and that goes beyond email it goes into we have like a discord community and people reaching out on twitter and people reaching out through dev2 comments and all these other places on the internet and i think one of my favorite quotes i've really internalized from justin garrison who's on the containers da team is that there's no sla or service level agreement on my twitter account really personally um take that into account like i try to bubble things up when i can but my personal social media is just at a point where i can't see everything i can't have dms turned on like things like that it's just not scalable i don't scale as one person and i have to instead tell people to go into the discord and ask questions there and said i can't respond on a one-to-one basis to everything so i think that for me is something that's difficult to figure out and also just the work-life balance of it too of getting messages at two in the morning from people and being like no but i think that's one piece that that is hard for me yeah yeah getting those code blocks of code and logs like can you help me with errors like no not really i can't i can barely know what you're doing so if you send me one of those messages sorry i have never replied do you think that one of the i mean i'm just thinking like one of the hard parts is that and i don't know if you guys feel this as well but like you're kind of working on your own a lot of the time like i used to be when i was a solutions architect back in sydney on a team where we'd be in the office and we'd all be there and you'd see people and like as a d.a you're kind of off on your own especially if you're remote if you're in another place on your own and i think some people thrive in an environment like that and some some people maybe struggle more i don't know um it kovitz kind of impacted on that too but that might be a part that you don't realize about just like maybe it can be a little bit lonely sometimes and you need to be your own project manager your own captain your own sailor your own everything you go from doing your video editing it publishing it doing the metadata everything in between yeah you need to be able to do a lot of things and learn a lot of things that are outside of whatever you are trying to do so not only aws yeah yeah i think the coveting maybe was because like in the past we would you would spend let's say six months doing demos and working on content and then using the six months traveling and meeting the people from different companies or your colleagues and then like after meeting them you get burned out and you come back and then you don't want to see anybody again for the next six months which is yeah so that which which which was okay then but now like you it's just like i thought i was going i thought it was was a good thing for me to reflect but now i miss the past like i want to sometimes see my colleagues yeah speaking of covey what's the impact on of covering on the role what has been your experience yeah for me it's it's it's it's shifting uh like the way i made content was mostly i was i was writing a lot and then after a while i started doing a lot of like being in the community and helping them like either organize an event or be at a meet up sometimes not even speak but just help them make sure that the meetup runs through and then they get they gain different they came to the meet up to learn from uh but now like i still get how i started like trying to find out new things recorded new ways to present what i need to show people for example like i've had to start trying out how to stream on twitch and start making youtube videos which is currently stuck at and uh yeah but like it's it's for me it's it's finding new new ways to reach rich people and measuring those new ways because i'm not used to like both using those those those platforms are measured and what does success look like in those platforms like if i make a youtube video uh should i look out for how many views or how many people watch to disappoint or how many people finish the video and all of this stuff so that that's that's a new a new system for me to learn and because it would take some time for it to evolve and understand that this is what works on youtube and what doesn't work so that's kind of what's new for me you were always a heavy video person weren't you marcia even before like did you use video more uh for me coffee was good sorry for everybody [Music] but i was traveling a lot and i was struggling with my online creation and i love to create content and i love scalable content so for me going to a meetup was fun was like getting super high i was getting all the adrenaline rush but i didn't saw the scale i was repeating the same talk 20 times and i might reach 100 people but if i make a youtube video i only do it once and then i don't travel so basically by the time it takes me to travel from here to stockholm i created a video i publish a video and then i have a thousand views on it with more watch time and maybe more questions and engagement that i will get on a 30 persons meetup so for me i i like it i enjoy it to be a online content creator i'm right i do unlike i miss it being on the stage because it's very uh adrenaline heavy so you get the rash but i think i can have a way bigger impact and reaching um like more diverse group of people when i'm in home and i can be on the internet people that are working that have kids that i can only listen to my podcast when they are watching their dishes uh i can reach them because going to a meetup sometimes requires that you have time to go to a meet-up but you can have a show that allows you to go to a meet-up that you are in a main capital that you are allowed to go to a meet-up i come from uruguay a third-world country nobody goes there to give meetups there is a meet-up community but no big people names or any fun people go there to give talk so i think the internet is a very democratizing place so i love it i i think i think of it meant that everybody had to suddenly become video experts very quickly and so i don't know i'm sure all of us have like i have like three different ring lights like in this room and like the like i have like a a whole green screeny thing set up and yeah so i think i think people for whom were great at public speaking on stage had to very quickly learn how to because it's very different the first time i did like a presentation by a zoom and you get no audience feedback you're just talking into the void it's so challenging um you have to have a lot of imagination and think that your camera is your audience and they are all looking at you very cool someone told me to stick googly eyes on my camera so at least i have a face to look at i never did it but oh my god that's an idea uh yeah i think i've seen some questions about whether we're remote as well which i think links into this conversation yeah and at least the amplified team was remote before covid as well so it's not like we've transitioned into remote for this or we're going to transition back out of remote after this that's really what the the role is how about you all teams well well marcia i mean latam from helsinki yeah but i think it's it's it's been always even when i was a nordic da uh nordics has like eight countries and you cannot live in eight countries at the same time so it's like you need to pick one and then move around if you want to move or then manage the risk somehow or like darco that has 17 different languages i don't know how many countries you need to create a network of people that can uh advocate for aws either internally essays or other roles or then external like heroes and influencers in the community that can do that for you so that's part of our show as well i think it depends what you mean remote like if you mean we don't go into an office like nine to five like we don't have that we all work you know wherever we work wherever but at the same time like for the regional roles that i hire for the person needs to be in that region like as mercy says they they yeah it helps well when we start doing in-person events you need to be in a time zone that's compatible like when i was doing like um you know one of the roles somebody wanted to apply from canada and i'm like dude you'll be doing everything from the middle of the night like it doesn't make sense so it depends i think a great deal on the team yeah in my team the specialist team whether global scope so it doesn't really matter i think um still in in this type of role and i think ali would be the same you need to be able to work with them our product management team and engineering team so you need that time zone uh you know to take into account because otherwise you would work you know i don't you know out of business hours it's not good for you it's i mean it's usually not good the other aspect is that yes you can work from i mean most most of us are working from home but uh but you should be in a place where you know you have a good internet connection and and you probably also have good you know airports so be able to travel because otherwise if you have to to drive for four hours to get to the airport and then open different i mean um planes it would be a nightmare so uh that's also something you need to take in i'm from a country that has an aws office if not then it's very hard to get you higher that's something it's impossible we have to have a presence there basically if there's a lot of countries where believe it or not there are countries where amazon doesn't have a presence and we can't hire you in those unfortunately i know that because of latam there is no presence in all the in the latin countries uh people need to relocate uh into a country that there is a presence to get higher so that's the thing yeah yeah so in europe actually would you have uh there are a lot of countries where we have everyone's presence but not necessarily you know offices where uh we don't have offices everywhere we can't hire everywhere that's that's reality yeah but a role might be flexible it's worth asking the question if you see one uh also i actually i will say that as a hiring manager when i put a job in for amazon.jobs which is the portal where you should all go look um we have to specify a location like it requires you to but that doesn't mean you can't ask if it's flexible so you should ask the question it's not set in stone all the time yeah actually we are constrained by the tool to be honest so uh in in many places i i wanted to hire for you know everywhere in emea but i have to choose one particular country in one particular city so i have to choose berlin for example or paris or uk but uh but but but actually you could you could apply and you don't have to move to berlin because i said berlin it's just because the tool would not let us you know put um you know emea so uh so it's it don't be afraid if you see a you know a position that which is of your interest in a different country apply and we'll discuss that or it might be that there's a role open elsewhere you don't know about that we do so yeah yeah what soft skills ada should have we talk about hard skills like being good communicator and being you know technically savvy but what are the soft skills we we need that's a good question uh i think i think a really useful ability in a company as big as as aws is being able to build a network and to because we as da's you know we we don't have like direct authority over a lot of the teams we work with we're we're we're trying to influence them influence their roadmap or influence them to to do something for the developer community and so building your network out and and knowing who you can leverage and how how your goals can align with theirs is really important and that's almost like a little bit of like personal savvy you know of of maintaining that network yeah and leveraging it being able to scale through others i think is a huge one as well like for example i get offered to speak at meetups a lot and i just can't do all of that and but i know that for a lot of engineers doing their first ever talk is a huge opportunity and so which engineers do i know that do x technology and can i reach out to them about covering this event or something along those lines and same with product and sometimes i just slack the engineers like hey you have a bug in this thing fix it and sometimes that goes faster than if it's your product or something like that yeah i think connecting yeah great question yeah i was going to say one the one thing i really advocate for for is empathy like it's it's hard for for people to see things from the perspective of the person the new person who is going through without the product or the very needy community so like i like um like i'm always like i'm always about all about drop your perspective because you already you figured all this out that the best thing you the person you're trying to help right now is is brand new to this whole thing that you can imagine how overwhelmed the person is and uh think [Music] was working so well and it just dropped for me he dropped again but definitely empathy is an important one and i would like to add a humility how you say that humidity no humility like making mistakes uh being like okay with making mistakes me and mista to learn in public being okay to show vulnerability with others because sometimes people think that the a's are like oh godness of everything and no we are still humans and we learn uh sometimes we just prepare for these so that's what you're seeing me after 10 hours of trying to do the same thing yes i can do it in one go i might have a lot of pre-recorded material and scripts that you don't see um but it's good i think to show also the human side of it and and and make it more close to the people because we are not trying to show how amazing we are we are trying to help you to get aboard these tools so i think that aligns really well with the earns trust lp which is one of the leadership principles and i think people think that just means like oh you're trustworthy you deliver on stuff a big part of it is not pretending to know stuff you don't know you know don't be asked like if you don't nobody can we have like 200 services nobody knows all of them to the same level they don't so being honest and be like i don't know i'll get back to you i'll find out or being honest about yeah you know what i really screwed that up here's a mistake i made yeah that's huge and do that in interviews too yeah nothing drives me more up the wall as an interviewer than somebody clearly or trying to explain a technology that they clearly know absolutely nothing about instead just say that you don't know that but you're willing to learn don't because if if an interviewer's asking you about something they know that thing don't pretend that you do if you don't it's just not going to go well no no yeah and it's actually very okay to not know and and to to say that you don't know i mean uh that's how also yeah how you untrust by saying i don't know i'm sorry i don't know that and we just move on we are not going to to tell you oh i want to know more about that i don't know so i just don't know i want to ask you all do you think that developer advocates need to be extroverts because i think we had some team discussion about this and actually not everybody on our team would say that they are i'm an introvert believer are you really yes i'm i'm i'm a daughter and a granddaughter of psychologists so i know how to and also did a lot of theater so i know how to become socially acceptable person but all this exposure to humans drains me and i want to just go under a cover blanket and not talk to anybody so i will get home i would say hi to my husband and not speak anymore for the day today so yeah what about you ally and christian i would say i fall somewhere in the middle where i'm definitely shy at first especially in groups but then i'm very much an extrovert with people that i know like i can be around people 24 7 if i know them already um so i wouldn't say that speaking in front of a crowd is ever something that anybody fully gets used to like even if you give a bunch of comfort i'm giving three conference talks today just for for perspective and i still get so nervous before every single one but yeah i would say i probably fall somewhere in the middle of the spectrum and being shy is different from being introvert because i'm not shy i'm i don't have that problem but i get drained dramatically with humans no definitely definitely shy but would probably fall more on the extroverted side where i like being around people yeah i'm on the same place with early which i would love to i'm optimistic about meeting people um yeah it's an interesting one because i think i think people expect that da's are all extroverts who love to be around crowds and i just wanted to get it out there that's not necessarily the case like you need to occasionally turn it on um but you know everybody needs down time so yeah cool and there are many people in the team like that so it's not only like and they're like very great and you see them speaking with everybody and then they will go to the hotel room like [Laughter] yeah that's totally fine all right i think um i think i don't see any more questions hopefully this session was helpful for you we do have a lot of opening we are growing so um have a look at at all the position that we have open on amazon.jobs ali you have one in your in your team at the moment is that correct yep android flyer it's proving to be the the difficult one for me to find somebody for just because that's not where my network is but if you're interested in that please reach out if you're also interested in like pm roles we're hiring a bunch of those which i know overlaps a ton with developer advocacy as well so uh my email is spittlea at amazon.com it's the inverse of my social media handles on acetal on social media it's spittle a instead i don't have dms or anything on social media so that would be the best way to reach out to me perfect chris have you got any position open at the moment i filled my last role last week you guys i think so after a year of hiring um but yeah that's knock on wood because we're always growing and so i'm sure i will have all like two weeks of peace and quiet before they tell me i need to hire somebody else so at the moment my team looks to be full but it will not stay that way for long marcia in latin we are hiring people yes we are so you can reach out to me if you are interested and also there is other non-va roles in our team so if you want to be a software developer or marketing person or i don't know there's a huge list uh we will leave the link in the in the video uh in the comments so you can go and check it out later all the roles are open in the va team uh but go and check them out because it's not only for being uh on stage but you might want to do coding uh full time we have roles for that as well yeah that's true so within the developer relations team we are we have a couple of ga positions open in my team and in other teams um we have community managers in emea and uh in latime i think and and we do we are also looking for software engineers to work with us on building some interesting uh new services for developers so uh yeah i mean we have different options available to you so uh have a look at uh what we are offering and uh and feel free to reach out to us through social medias on linkedin on twitter and uh we'll be you know happy to answer your questions all right cool all right thanks everyone yeah that was fun thank you and oh go you didn't even show us the dog ally isn't that the rule you have to show a dog when it barks let me try to pick her up end with the dog [Laughter] yeah nice well thanks everybody for joining us yeah thanks everybody so you can watch it again if you want to check parts of it so it's up here so thank you everybody thanks for hosting us thank you you're welcome anytime bye bye bye

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Length: 83min 12sec (4992 seconds)

Published: Wed Sep 22 2021