✅Stephanie Lazarus Interrogation

sure say I'm looking on my partner hey great hey how's it going Nonaka uh come see this is a I don't want to bring this up in your squad room oh no it's why I think we called it okay we'll bring your good friend somebody in right yeah what the heck no I don't want to talk about this in the squad room I don't know who people are listening to and if we go to my side everybody's always wondering when available okay but like we're talking about being business that we've been assigned a case that we've been looking at okay it's a new case and we're doing the case there's some notes to see it as far as your name being mentioned oh okay do you know john bruton john Rutan Rutten oh yeah went to school with him you did yeah how long did you know him gosh I went to school and um let's see what did you see late 1978 I started and you know medam dead school at the dorms you guys friends close friends we were very close friends yeah I mean what's this all about well it's regarding it's a case we're working on it involves John and in there some of the statements were we reviewed you know there's nose and stuff day that he knew you and stuff oh yeah movie good friends um lid to the dorms for house in the dorms for two years you guys lived in the same dorm yeah okay yeah Dykstra okay well you guys just friends or anything else or yeah we were real good friends yeah was there any a relationship or anything to develop between you guys yeah I need to be dated uh uh-huh you know I mean is it what's this all about well it's relating to his wife okay okay did you know her not really I mean I knew that he I marry your 'aa go uh-huh did you ever meet her god I don't know um you know she was or anything well I think God it's been a long time ago um I I may have met her um geez you know yeah well I'm sick let me ask you you said you dated John how long did you guys date a meet what are you guys is this something I mean you said it I was gonna interview something about art in hell yeah there's I mean Stephanie here's the situation's basically we you know we knew that this when we saw this in the in this chrono that maybe you know there was some relationship there that's what the chrono seemed to indicate and we didn't want to come up to you at your desk and ask those kinds of questions or do anything you know how up there people can see what's going on if you go into an interview room or people are in there doing supplies so we wanted to afford you some privacy some confidentiality to talk about this because we thought it might be you know something you know you're married to someone else obviously and so forth and that you may not want to you know talk about these things in that setting or someone you know we don't want the rumor mill or gossip Bernie that kind of stuff I to me so we did this just as a means to try and speak to you in just a confidential place where you you know where where your business isn't out there for other people in your division Adam yeah that's been a million years ago I mean you know what year is it now 2009 I mean I graduated in 82 82 yeah um you know we dated I dated other guys I'm sure he dated other girls um let me skip roughly how long would you would you say you guys did jeez um I couldn't even say I mean I started school there in 78 I started you see lights at 1978 I graduated in 82 I don't even remember what year he graduated if it was a year or two before me I think he was a little bit older than I was I mean you know I can't remember if he was born but say I'm born in 60 1960 I don't if he was born in 58 or 59 I mean not you know I mean I knew his parents into a sister his brother went to Northridge you know sister spent the night at my house before obviously I spent the night at his house before we pray spent the night at my house before you know I yeah I don't look correct me if I'm wrong from what you're telling me you guys dated while you were in college together right yeah and probably after college um I can't she's um trying to think when I met my husband I met my husband in dining Scott um let's see stitch a dare cuz I met Scott when I was teaching there up in Oregon but we had long stopped dating before that so you haven't talked to him for a long time oh I I think I haven't talked him in a long time um I couldn't even tell you when the last time I talked to him um I met Scott I'm thinking in 92 maybe um April of 92 it was Scott Reeder oh yeah I'm trying to think I was teaching dare let's see what years we'll be married I got married in 1996 think I met Scott in 92 prior to that I couldn't tell you how long I talked you know talk to it John Baum prior to that that since you since you met your husband Scott you hadn't talked to him I mean he may have called me uh once or twice before we got married right um you know geez I I lived it I moved to see me in 1994 because I lost my house in the earthquake oh um quite honestly I probably keep in contact with a few people from the dorms we all will all live on the 10th floor and there's about three or four people I keep in contact with there's probably like six or eight of us that were all really close who are those people oh geez um Diana Baska um people I still keep I haven't been in contact with her in a long time um I mean it was uh what's I mean what's this all about I mean well let me ask you what ended the relationship between you and John you know I don't it was kind of a weird relationship I mean we we dated I can't say that he was my boyfriend I don't know that he would get it concerned me his girlfriend we just we dated we did things I played sports in college he played basketball his brother played basketball um we just you know it just didn't work out I don't know what to tell you it was like I went out with other guys other guys and went on lots of vacations um you know and once you guys split were you guys still friends or kind of you know I mean friendly not friendly I don't think it was not friendly I mean we were friendly I know that we went to Hawaii at one point another friend of mine who's actually dying right now uh was I went to Hawaii with us at some point um ever worth it when there was geez um let me think hmm I have to check my pictures um all right I'd say to ask Greg but my friend Greg is like dying of liver cancer right now um yeah I mean I know and you were saying that um in 2009 now had you ever met his wife I may have do you know do you member her name or anything or for what she did for a living or where she worked her anything about her well I think she like I'm gonna say I think she was a nurse um and I can't remember how he said he met her I mean I mean I I yeah I mean it's been so long ago well then ask did you go to their wedding you know no I didn't go to their wedding um no I don't did not go to their wedding um can't even tell you what year we got married I mean you know it's been a million years ago yeah remember if you ever talked to her cuz it seems like a lot of you who work at the school UCLA you guys kind of were friends during and after school so I don't know if you guys still associated afterwards one once he was married or anything with him yeah no I don't think so I mean I would sue you know the people throw on the dorm floor we have we did get togethers um there's probably like four or five I don't think he ever came um yeah I don't think no it was it was like it was mostly girls you know girl names Smita Diane there's enough there's two Diane's but the one day and I don't think she ever came I kind of lost contact with her we were good friends on the floor yeah I mean I don't you know again I mean what you know what I don't understand why you're talking about some guy dated a million years ago do you know what happened to his life yeah I know she got killed what did you hear about that I saw a poster at work um I'm sure I spoke to him about it um I think I spoke to another friend of his about it um and how did how did you first learn about that jeez someone could have called me I could heard it at work um I think at one point there may have been a flyer or something I know a good friend of his you on the job back then well that happened yeah I think so yeah I'm sure I was on the job that's why I would have heard about it with the flyer um he had a good friend Mike Mike Beaudry Mike hmm anyways a frag he may have lived in the dorms I don't remember if that's how I met him I may have talked to him I mean you know I don't remember how I heard I mean I don't even remember what year it was and you think you thought you said you thought his wife was a nurse you have any idea where she was working at the time or did he ever mention that to you was it a hospital or a doctor's office he must have mentioned it now that you're bringing that up I think she worked at a hospital somewhere and yeah I may have met her at a hospital um I may have talked to her once or twice um that hot war um you know being that you're kind of used to see John you know was it everything okay between you guys I mean there was an area anything uncomfortable or anything between you and her um you know I don't know I mean it's got it's been so many years I mean uncomfortable I mean yeah I can't even I can't even remember forget a conversation I mean we may have I may have I may have seen her it is a part you know it jeez how many years ago is that I don't even know what year she you know got killed where was his apartment on Roscoe okay yeah Roscoe and um um Easter west of Des so either Easter west of DeSoto do you know where he moved after did he move after he got married or do you know or oh I'm sure he did did you know where I was living or somewhere in the valley did you ever visit him and his wife no no never one out you know get-together dinners I don't know like I said his sister used to come over his sister it'd come to my place I knew her I knew his brother because his brother played basketball northridge in fact I was just coming across some pictures that I just scanned scanned from um I take a lot of photos um like 10,000 and I just did a service where I scanned everything I mean I'd seen some pictures of his brother penguins put them all in a computer so you could have accessible to them well my partner is a big photo thing and he had a deal to scan so I spent a ton of time just scanning photos I mean I pay a company to do it um so I've got photos up I mean his brother his sister you know ten thousand pictures oh yeah how long did that take them months now what did they put that on that I'm just curious by some input on it they give you kids all on one DVD they don't need like driver anything oh no it's like I think 11 DVDs yeah I have any violent mentality it's a series of DVDs that they put them on oh yeah okay yeah I mean I guess not that familiar with computer stuff that's was asked it's like eleven DVD okay so you know I haven't had a chance to go through am i you could go through and pick which ones you don't want I don't have time to do that right you know so I saw like you said did I you know I don't think we ever socialized um you know he'd still call me I can't say that I would mean if he's married don't know that I would have called him I mean maybe who knows I you know I don't know it's been a million years ago how long was John married before his wife died I couldn't I have no idea you have no idea after his wife died did did you talk to him again or anything yeah I mean I did talk to him I talked to him probably his parents um probably some other friends um you know I'm sure I talked to him yeah um like you you don't you're not sure where he moved to after he got married no idea I've never went over to visit him think I mean I don't think so I mean um I don't know I don't I don't think I did I mean I know he's lived on Roscoe for a long long time um I mean I may know I mean I may have told me where they live somewhere in the valley may have said he live lead over such and such but I couldn't tell you specifically where but you don't remember specifically ever going over to visit him or visit them and wherever he moved when he left Roscoe I I don't know I don't think so but ok you know I want to say no I don't think so and then he says always she came over for something dropped something off you know I I don't know so if you did go over there just be like a quick thing like like you're saying drop something off or maybe um but you don't remember as far as I go in there to have dinner or like a social anything at the house partying well if you guys know something I just I can't I don't know I don't think so I mean but after John's wife died he said you may have been talking to him did your relationship start up again I would say no um again can you give me a year I mean this is like 2009 she died in 1986 yeah I think it's 86 1986 ok um like I said I'm faintly remembering that I went to Hawaii with my friend Greg Greg and I got certified for scuba diving um and I'm thinking that John Metis their meaning Greg and I um that could have been I got certified toward the end of 88 or I mean 20 at 88 89 because I got recertified again and it had been like over 10 10 years so I got recertified my husband I got recertified um and I'm pretty sure that John Medus there again I have to tell you what year was it have to look at my pictures um you know and other than that I can't even say he may have called me you know my home I may have called him I don't think he got together with our group um I think that his wife says uh even before I don't you know I we went to weddings together you know did you got pictures like I said I couldn't tell you years it's been a million years ago after he after he got married or whatever we were you dating anybody didn't take your letter Louis and that was the London year 1986 you see I think he got married yeah and around 85 86 something like that were you seeing anyone seriously or God I couldn't say um jeez I'm trying to think I mean you know I dated a fireman was is they my current and I'm trying to be really I fear he was LAFD um trying to think when I went I probably met Mike I went to Devon sure I'd say left Hollywood in 80 I worked Hollywood 84 to 85 I think and then I went to debenture and that's when I met Mike um and some other firemen and what the station next door no because I used to work Hollywood stars were nervous no no no it wasn't when I worked Devon sure I met Mike oh okay all right and I'm trying to think I went to Devon 85 and I'm thinking that I would have met him probably sometime shortly after I went to Devon sure because I met him and his actually met his buddies at a fire and then Mike and I dated you know just really kind of casually uh-huh and we remain very remained good friends um he's still in touch with him or unfortunately he passed away oh really he died in um he had a car crash M he did race cars and he went heading into a wall mm I could tell you what year that was um but he passed away he was in a coma and they pulled the other plug right seems like me anyway um so you know I couldn't even tell you what what year I'm thinking I went to demonstrate 85 and I know I met the guys because I it was kind of a funny incident of how I met them and that's how I remember it was sometime probably 85 right um you know if we specifically I don't even know if they remember the other two are now married to somebody else cuz I kind of all three I mean did you have socialize like when you were out with Mike did those guys come out with you two was it kind of like did you do stuff with his friends or well um there were three there was two firemen Eric and Gary I met them first then they introduced me to Mike so that's how I met Mike and Mike dated Mike Mike and I dated then so and not I wouldn't even say I couldn't tell you for how long because then he would say we decided yeah I wasn't working out and we'd be better friends and you know he introduced me I think to some other guy on that who now is on LAPD um Randy córdoba's I'm detective he's got a twin brother who's on the fire department ATS how I met Randy because he had a twin brother identical twin on the fire department okay um and any way you write dated him when I couldn't tell you it was before he came on the job well before Randy came on the job yeah okay and that was I sound can't remember if Mike Mike may have I trying to remember Mike may have dated um a girl that he dated sounds too weird Randy may have dated a gal that Mike was dating and that and then Mike Randy broke up with that gal I couldn't even tell you if the gals name if I'm even thinking of the story right and then I started dating Randy yeah I know so again I mean not like I was a huge floozy or anything but no but you know I mean a lot of times right at least from my female partners that I've had you know it's hard dating guys that aren't involved in kind of our circle right because some luck some guys are intimidated by you know women grants Thomson yeah Randy was like an engineer at the time he was like uh some kind of an engineer on a truck on a rig sergeant no um an engineer or a professional engineer yeah yeah if you lost a job and then came on on the department I see so um you're getting back hasn't spoken as far as you recall after John's wife died did you start a relationship again with with John dating casually or anything like that like I said he met Greg and I in Hawaii okay um I was something you guys kind of planned together like goes aggro Bree you ran into a hammer no I I think that obviously I must have talked to him and I said hey I'm going to Hawaii with my buddy Greg we're SKU or SKU but we just got certified scuba diving um we're going to be in Hawaii hey if you want to come and join us come join us right and I think that's what it was um I met I made ask some other people too as well um you know what island did we go to I think the Big Island and Kauai he either medicine the Big Island or Kauai I'm thinking of Greg and I might add scuba dived a lot and on the Big Island as well as Kauai I'm I don't remember which island again I have to look at my pictures um I traveled a lot on my vacations I mean I was always gone for at least a month um and I would go places and I would either run into people or you know you'll meet people and Greg this great we're talking about he was like someone you were dating or just a buddy well you know what I would I would say we started out probably just buddies and either I was with somebody or he was with somebody but was all Tweel it was kind of like we ended up just kind of be like brother and sister maybe he wanted something more but you know it just never you know worked out but we did things together I would consider them I probably known um let's say been on the job and was 26 years I probably known great 23 24 years um still talk to him oh yeah he's dying aqui liver cancer right now yeah yes so um so you know I I consider him a good friend you know you know I don't know what to tell you on that I mean when you heard about John's wife being killed I mean what was your what was your reaction I mean when did you thought you heard about what through a friend or a bulletin a friend or a bulletin I obviously I mean I called and called the family I am I called maybe some of his friends that that I knew and I mean obviously it's shock your fear if I heard it at work you know um which I may have I faintly remember a bulletin going around um either that or somebody called me I also don't remember right um and then I called probably called his family um called I don't know initially I can't see if I initially spoke to him or not I honestly don't remember I may have said to somebody hey have him call me if he wants to talk and then you may have done that uh-huh um you know yeah do you know what the circumstances were regarding her death geez let me think back geez I don't know if it was co if it was a burglary or something yes I mean it's been so many years I I mean I can faintly think that I may have saw a flyer I may have had a picture on it you know I mean that's why I say if somebody had called me I may not have known what her last name was I may have I mean maybe if you told me I would remember it um the numbers name Shelly Sheri I know something maybe you know like I said it's been so many years and um from all the years as far as you can remember you don't do you remember ever talking to her just well a she see I said earlier you know I mean I may have you know I may have talked to her um I it sound I you know you mentioned a hospital maybe you may have talked her to a hospital yeah um yeah I may have you know I'm thinking back now you guys are bringing up all these whole memories no I kind of jumped off the cone oh geez um I'm thinking that because I mean we would date he would date other people I would date other people and I think you know at one point I mean he may have been dating her or I don't know maybe he was married I don't even remember and I'm like you know what why are you calling me if you're either dating her living with her married her because I honest don't remember the timeframe I'm like come on knock it off and I'm now I'm thinking I put me I may have gone too and say hey you know what you know it is he dating you he's but he's bothering me and so I'm thinking that we had a conversation about that one or two maybe you know I it could have been three I don't want to say I had three conversations with her like at her work they're at their house or no I'm thinking that I'm you know he obviously must have told me where she worked I'm thinking it was a hospital somewhere in LA and I just I mean I could have been again what year was that where was i working you know I don't I don't try to think about when did you say they got married I don't know I think it was like in 85 or 86 or something like that you know we we just kind of picked this up we don't know a lot about it you I mean I could have been working in Hollywood it sounds like if that's where I was working um so I could have said okay well you know and I wouldn't talk to her and she said hey you know what you know if he's dating you is these keeps calling me why did you tell him to knock it off or whatever and no because I probably would have told him to knock it off you know John oh yeah I mean I would said hey you know and again but you wanted to tell her too you wanted them both to know yeah I mean you know if you get your get him called and I'm trying faintly remembering when Scott moved in with me in 1993 sometime in 93 because I met Scott in in in April of 92 I was teaching gear up in Oregon um and he moved down fact he may have moved down in 92 92 or 93 there was a big earthquake no when was a big earthquake no 94 94 yeah so I think Scott might might move in the 93 sometime in 93 excuse me um maybe have my breakfast [ __ ] and so um excuse me and so I fain to recall that John may have called a few times and I'm like hey you know I've got because look can you die like you can you talk or something like you know no I can't talk I've got you know I'm living with somebody right you know and that could have been a few times it could have been once cuz been twice could have three times yeah I don't know you know um that's during the period of time of the earthquake sure no probably probably after Scott moved in I think I met Scott April of 92 okay right before April of 92 because I was t I stopped teaching dare I think I stopped taking gear sometime in 92 um and when you and when you say that you may have you know that you talked to his wife said hey or you know I don't was I guess it wasn't his wife at that time girlfriend or whatever and yeah I don't know if it was his wife or I I mean quite honestly I don't even remember when you said like hey you know he's calling me he needs to knock it off or what-have-you I mean was that was that civil was there no that was none I don't think there was anything it was it the conversation lasted a few minutes I can't even remember what is it like you know we went out to lunch or anything right but there was no like arguments or fights or anything I heated or anything like not that I recall no I mean I would think that would stand out I would think now again that's not standing out in my mind um you know so you didn't have any problems with her then no issues with her no I mean baloney let me ask you seems like you didn't have any issue now did she have an issue with you as far as only because now you're telling her hey you know how much stop calling us you know she's like you know you figured she'd be thrilled by you you know I I don't know I mean from what you remember as far as when you talked to her maybe you didn't take it as serious but maybe you know did she shoot me like was she throwing things at me or something or just you know as far as you're trying to explain like hey I'm stop calling me you know stop playing games you know I tell you it yeah if the conversation I couldn't even tell you how long the conversation if you said did it last a half an hour did it last three minutes to the last 20 minutes I can't even remember it's been so long ago you know um you just remember talking to her telling you and that's what you said how many times you talked to her I don't know how many times I talked to her maybe it was once maybe it was twice he was three times you know I honestly don't know um I don't know what year it was um if you if he said I met her in such-and-such year I go okay well I don't even know what here year you matter um I graduated from UC on in 1982 okay I graduate in 82 like I said I don't know if he graduated I know it was available look he's little older than I was so I don't know if he graduated here before or two years before because people are on print um you go in the four-year program in the five-year program um well you did you come on the job 83 also almost pretty much immediately after you got out of school yeah I worked at a law firm for a year um and then came on the job but in any way in regards to seeing him not seeing him we went to friends weddings that were you know from UCLA I may have gone to some of his friends weddings from where he worked he may have gone to things with me you know you know I mean I I don't know how many times we went to do things you know or didn't do things right like I said his sister I know his sister his brother his sister I know stayed at my townhouse a number of times I couldn't tell you how many times right um I would watch his brother you know I should take pictures at a basketball game room or - where was your townhouse up in Granada Hills um below the Odyssey I don't know I'm sorry the four or five and the five the four or five the four or five turns into five the 118 they came down in the earthquake okay so and you're saying when you went to see her do you remember Phil's at her house or it the place you work that no I'm thinking that I'm thinking it was probably for some reason I want to say that the hospital seemed that you know if you say he got married in 85 or something I'm thinking that you know maybe the hospital was on my way to work in Hollywood I mean that's kind of sounding familiar um would you've gone on duty oh I know I'm sure I wouldn't if I know I'm I'm pretty good about not doing stuff you know I mean now I'm not saying that you know you haven't done stuff on duty but I I mean I would've been working with somebody you know so I would I wouldn't think I mean I try to avoid doing stuff on duty so so you were gone it was in route to work you more like you would have gone to her work and had this discussion with it I mean that's sounding familiar I mean that's now that you guys are bringing this stuff up um I mean it sound that sounds familiar but again I mean you know what's I mean what's this got to do with me dating him and you know her getting killed I mean I I don't you know I don't anything to do with didn't you got something that's somebody said you know whatever I mean well like I said we just literally got this the other day and you're going through it yeah you see some easy Nick's next door right and so you know I mean obviously it's like we recognize a name we know that you know you work next door to us and so we're trying to get some background we're trying to figure this out I mean this is from a long time ago I know I know and things have been kind of slow for us and so you know chief Beck has said hey you know I want you guys working I don't want you just sitting around reading the paper yeah so he's kind of pushing some older cases out even to the guys and work active cases because you know and so we see this and we're just like oh you know we want to talk to you about it but of course the only reason we did it here is because we're getting into some pretty personal stuff your relationship oh my my hands on the job is very you know we don't take the risk we don't want to take the risk when one of those interview ready when the door closed someone's going to get supplies and see us on a monitor here's or whatever I appreciate that me I don't hit like I said that's where people go when there's orals you know when they're doing or most guys will go in there and cry and watch what are the answers to the questions you know know that yeah so so we just we just want to afford you the most privacy and confidentiality we could I appreciate like I said I mean this goes way back and I mean it's very sad you know obviously um I haven't I feel like when we were in college some of us would go down to his house in San Diego I went down his house with him you know with with him I know I'm trying to think of some other people that may have gone down that where he grew up is down there yeah down in San Diego okay I know his dad it was a professor at San Diego State I don't know if he still is um I don't know what happened to his sister don't know happen to his brother um you know I'm sure his dad's probably retired by now he was I think older um even back then right um and I I can't even tell you the last time I had any contact with any of them it's been so long did he tell you what happened like what he heard from the detectives or the police sir you know what he may have um for some reason I'm thinking that I mean again this is like drugs or something I mean I think I faintly remember him mentioning something maybe about cocaine um that she was involved with that you know I don't know that he said she was involved or they thought you you know again it's been so long I you know he could have mentioned he could have told me the whole story of what happened and I mean like I said I'm faintly remember even between him or the flyer um that there was some kind of a burglary um you know let me ask the detectives ever reach out to you know no one's ever talked to me I don't think anybody ever talked to me about about him um seems like I know well I'd take I'm thinking that I did talk to a detective um God well what division was it in Van Nuys hmm and where was i working six I've been working debenture you know I'm thinking that I did speak to somebody oh really I couldn't tell you who it was because it doesn't get done the same day on the phone um would have been somebody were in regards to this or just yeah yeah um I don't even know if you said a name if I would remember it because I work van eyes for a while oh yeah I work dumb detective patrol no we're detectives um when do I go to Van Nuys I work Devon sure till 88 then I went to dare 292 I work twice at Van Nuys um over detective yeah sometime in the 90s yeah I know before I busted my leg up I was there in 98 because that year sticks out because I had a really bad leg injury and I was there prior to that but I couldn't tell you what year it was just a few years I made detective I think in 93 93 so I was at Van Nuys and then I went back and then I had a leg injury and then they transfer me to Devonshire because I couldn't drive I couldn't drive very far with the my bad leg injury so but yeah I I think I talked to somebody um remembering would you remember any other conversation as far as what they were looking for couldn't say I mean they may have told me I said hey you know I went to school with him I either use somebody called me or I saw the fly I may have seen the flyer at that point and I called up if someone's name was on the flyer I made a call to speak to them I said hey if there's anything I can do you know call me this is where I work you know I went to us you know school with them um couldn't say I couldn't tell you who it was but you do remember that that someone you think reached out to you I mean a detective yeah called you up and talk to you or I called them one of the - yeah you know I remember talking somebody but I'm thinking it was a man I'm sure there's 20 more men back and OH again that's I mean that's all really all I can remember about that yeah let me get back to as far as Ling he said John was calling you to to see you and during that time you felt that he was felt he was either seeing her was engaged or married you know good I remember you know I don't know um I let's see my husband never pearl no that would have been Scott moved in 93 so that would have been he said 86 or 85 or something Scott your only husband you've never heard no never I got married in 1996 I know I know I got married in 96 but he moved in in 93 but during that time that you were seeing John you know was he acting kind of I don't have a squirrely or kind of sneaking around when he'd hook up with you or anything like that to make you think hey I probably was I mean I mean good from the oppression I get you've known him a long time well let's see from were three men in 78 no I I met him in school I started you ceiling 78 um you know well during that period of time yeah I mean was he acting squirrelly you know I don't even remember where he was living then you know I well I know well let me ask it after he hooked up with mean if he was living on Roscoe or wherever else he was living right well after he hooked up with with sherry do you know where they were living no you asked me that already and I said well obviously we live in a van nuys division yeah um I may have known I mean I you know again I yo did he ever give me the address I maybe you know I don't remember I mean I don't know because the only reason I'm asking you can is because we've been talking I know some stuff has come to you cuz you're like oh you know so before I'm asking you've ever been to that when you said van eyes division you know I'm just I'm sure he could have told me I mean he could have told me he could have told me where he lived um Jeff I'm going there I don't think I've ever gone there I did something I don't I don't want to say no I've never gone there then you say oh I was at party cuz I I don't you know I don't think so yeah um like I said we've got these friends we have different we have parties um my house their house I just don't think John ever came to it again you know at one point because we we knew people from school together I knew different people he knew different people I knew people that he knew from his work you know that lived in the valley um you know as far as for social events or anything I mean well it's I mean you're not sure if you ever been to the house cuz ah but it's safe to say that would have been the only time like for something social yeah if I went there for something social yeah I mean because I know you went to talk to her at the hospital regarding decision with John to you know kind of like hey what's going to happen here with this thing but with this ever followed up to her house when you went to talk to her to say hey you know what I don't even know that I knew where they lived I know it's something I don't if I knew where they lived and I'd been there if it was for something social I would and I can't see how many times I I saw her face-to-face you know he lived on Roscoe did I ever see her there I don't know I mean I may have seen their disappointment on Roscoe I may have met her there you know I mean but she didn't have any issues with her right no I mean you know obviously if he was dating me and dating her I probably said hey pic or something you know no pads in um I can't say that we ever screamed or yeah you know it's I mean he was a pretty mellow guy you know um I think I was pretty mellow I don't I don't think we had some big huge blow-up to say you know why we stopped dating or you know yeah and I even think that when I was dating him I was probably like I said I was probably going out with other guys and he was probably going out with other girls right you know I don't know I mean would you remember if she snapped on you and just like hey Mads my man you know you could leave him alone it'll blah blah blah that kind of stuff you know and would you remember an incident like that I because that would be like what well you know and maybe that happened I mean oh gosh I you know it's been so long ago I you know I just I mean that's not ringing a bell um because the times I seen you around in our office I'm crazy but you're only gonna like rule I mean you can kind of bubbly oh I'm people think I'm really hyper but I think I can get I can get upset you know and I'm then I forget five seconds later you know you know how guys razz you and you go ah you know um I mean I've done that in the office you know but it's like and then I'm you know and then I'm you know you like mean water under the bridge yeah I mean it's like people think I'm crazy and then they think I'm crazy at home and I'm you know more but I'm I'm a hyper person at work I'm you know I enjoy my job I get excited I you know um I enjoy the job I've always enjoyed the job you got a good kid you know um so you know I you know I don't know it's like I said this stuff's been so long ago um you know I'm sure as soon as I walk out here I'll go shoot I did 25 things I'll remember um you know but you'll call us or I mean you'll just come over our desk yeah I mean I don't know what else you need to know like I said you know we knew friends together a lot of the friends that you know that we socialized in the dorms I would say I mean there was a group of us that um we were all really close I mean even this one guy was thinking of you know Diana basta we were all really close I haven't talked to her in a million years um Diana Bassman being a friend of you and John's yeah we all lived on the dorms on the dorms together I don't know if she lived on the st. way I'm trying to think I think I know John lived on our floor because his roommate was Dave Newman Dave Newman that was a big huge big shot whatever movie producer director something I don't know um that was John's roommate yeah and then the guys lived across from me Jim jaska land Roy suck abou so I could lose something like that they lived across from me Diana basta I don't know if she lived on our floor maybe she was the RA Diane Sherman because I still remain friends with Diane Sherman not that I'm not friends with the other people I just don't see him a gal named Smita Sally Kathleen you know so we were all on the floor I mean some of them were athletes some of them weren't you know I said John played basketball is birthday basketball I play basketball UCLA for two years one of the girls swam on the team one was on the crew team so we all did stuff together and then I'd say after we all graduated we went to weddings you know I went to weddings but Sheree wasn't part of this circle no I don't even know how he how he met her I don't even know where I mean I don't know where he met her from I don't even know he told me where he met her from I mean he may have told me I you know that's not ringing a bell um and there was lots many others just there was other people that knew other people um you know that were friends of everybody's um you know I mean I don't know what else to tell you well one of the concerns I had looking at some of the notes as some of Sheree's friends said that you and her were having a problem because of the John situation well number one I don't know who her friends are because again I don't I don't recall if he did tell me where he met her I don't know even who these friends are a problem I guess if I spoke to her I mean I'll go on as far as a limb and I don't want to say I spoke to her five times because that's probably not even true I can't even remember again did I meet him at her plate when he lived on Roscoe for I think quite a while but I couldn't tell you how long you lived in Roscoe and only reason I remember the place now is because it's like a huge dope built place now or they you know it may have been back then but you know maybe we know back then um I could have met her there I could have built you know I don't even know that I met any of their friends I don't I I can't say that I don't know that that's a true statement what that's what I mean is it you guys have problems with each other and words are being exchanged and it's all relating to John you know what i I just I can't say cancer no I did that does zoomerang a bell I mean I mean it seemed like yeah you would recall something as I was going off on you Ryan we think I mean I would think we think yeah visits but that I you know it seems like your relationship with John was kind of I mean you've known each other for a lot of years it was just kinda it was like but it doesn't seem to me from what you tell me nobody were never engaged I mean it wasn't like we were planning to get married um you know it was like it was uh I don't know how to describe it I mean would you say there wasn't a lot of drama no I don't think there was drama yeah I mean that's why I'm asking as far as what the friends are saying in regards to this you know the problems that they're saying you were having with with Sheri I mean seems like the ridership is just going on even plane that just ayodhya depth I don't have a recollection of that at all no no and because from what you're telling me is when you guys met at the hospital and you guys talked but it wasn't from what you recall confrontational from either side I I mean I'm trying to you know turn my memory back you know and I'm trying to can't even can't even picture the you know picture the the conversation I mean I can't even picture the conversation well let me ask you I mean at the hospital got to the point where people are going hey you know go to everybody go to your own corner type of thing I don't think so nothing like that I don't think so I mean I really don't I mean if you you know if you say people said that that's not ringing a bell to me at all I mean it's not I mean that that's not ringing a bell was there when I was there for a time when you and sherry we're talking and John had to make like a you guys relaxing or and like that Thanks so about yeah I ever going to a house and having a dispute like that you know I'm just if I met her ever at his apartment and maybe I mean maybe we could have met it I could have met her apartment I'm thinking that the hospital thing that sounds familiar that I met her there I just can't say that either again was I there with other people yeah I don't I don't know I don't think I ever met her there or him there um meaning one or the other I don't think so I rely just I can't I don't think so cuz I mean I know the way my wife is at or how she wouldn't want my own girlfriends there you know so I don't know if maybe she had the same mentality towards you if as far as love being welcome there you know visits you know what if somebody said I was there when they were there then that's possible but I just I I don't recall I mean I don't think so I don't it's not sounding familiar yeah I guess basically I'm asking is you know where you're ever welcome to the house like hey oh come over yeah come on over I'm in a barbecue you know that dinner party Christmas party or whatever I don't know no I'm just trying to think you know like I said because there were so many of us that the to Diane's Jim jaska Roy Smita the Scout Smita another friend of ours Beth I'm she a path seems like everybody I know is passing away hmm um she passed away she was a child diabetic and and got very ill we would all socialize like I said I don't think John ever it's hard I was they never socialized with us um you know it's been I'd have to go must go back and look at pictures because I take pictures I mean I usually when I go to functions I have 10,000 pictures okay I'm a picture nut [Music] let me ask when you're seeing John would you I think it he would pick you up in his car you go on her cook yeah your car things of that nature he doesn't go out yeah I mean you're avoiding where he drove well I know at one time he drove a either a 240 or 260z any other cars that stand out of your mind hmm I don't know how long you drove that 240 or 260 z4 um and the only reason I say that is because I think I may have a picture of it with him in it um what kind of car did you have back then let's see what year or are you like one of those young cops is like oh I got a paycheck and bought a new car no no I've only had like a few cars in my whole life so would you have when he came on the job okay well my first car was a 68 Chevelle 68 Chevelle and then I had a Toyota some kind of a Toyota um hatchback but I forget what the name of it was like a Corolla or to sell yourself something like that herself and then I died my truck ever have any problem with your cars like what is anything in general car wrecks yeah no my cars have been stolen Oh No crashed hit-and-run I mean my Tercel was hit and run again I guess I got pictures of the hit and run some how thing hanging my cars had ever been stolen no my cars haven't been stolen broken into no no huh oh yeah they my cars have been broken into you know but no cars have ever been stolen how long or when tell me about this car getting broken into my car's broken into several times oh really never lose anything yeah now that you mention it let's see I have a gun that was stolen I had other stuff that was stolen not renewed you know um whatever recovered I don't know no I don't think so not that I know of the notifier no cars were broken into yeah several times where did that happen when your gun was taken trying to remember I'm sure you guys must know um because my car was broken into in Ventura I think in Santa Monica I have relatives that live in Santa Monica and Venice Melissa my uncle well I I had several uncles yeah could have been Santa Monica Venice my my car's broken II - in Ventura before so your mom still around er mm-hmm yeah dad yeah like I don't really have much of a relationship with my dad so I couldn't tell you where he lives if you're what you want to know and yeah well like I said we're looking at the case and you know we read the notes as far as from sharri's friends saying you you guys have problems or words they got the reason we're asking is they had mentioned that an incident at her work had occurred and they've also told us that I'm incident at her house occurred you know what and this is at her house during the period of time that their marriage that's just not sounding familiar at all I mean I you know what I that's just not so again if someone says that I was at her house and I had an incident with her you know I that just doesn't sound my act you know was John there did John say this happened because and other people were there I just I don't recall I mean it just doesn't sound you know familiar this is an incident where you showed up you weren't supposed to show up things got heated at his house it said I you know I bet just doesn't sound familiar I mean I you know it's not sounding familiar not at all no you think I'm not familiar because it's just don't you remember or less you know what I would have done I'd have to say don't remember cuz I don't remember I'm it that doesn't sound familiar I you know or something like that in your life is well I would think like a drama involving the other woman type of thing did your fight with her you mean like we fought yeah did you ever Duke it out with her no I don't think so I mean you'd remember that right that would be pretty yeah I would think so I'm in specific yeah like I said I mean obviously yeah I you know I mean it just doesn't sound familiar I mean I mean were they sin so I fought with her so so I get Kevin getting the jump of the leaf excuse me I haven't eaten um they're sick okay I fought with her so I must have killed her I mean come on I mean that's you know I I don't even know who these people are I can't even say I met any of these people I mean that's it's insane I if it happened I honestly don't remember it's all I can tell you I mean I'm would be something you would remember I mean it because it's I don't know if any other intense incidents in your life that have occurred I mean you recall those right I mean well I can use the force at work or car crash something you're involved in you'd be like yeah you would think I would remember I mean I would think if it was something that crazy I mean I can't say you say how many fights have you gotten into you know in your life you know I mean a few at work well I said work are kind of different cuz we've all had uses of force or whatever but I mean you have even a lot of those right but you know if you're if you're actually you know I mean I played like if if Dan and I got mad at each other and we threw blows in the squad room I mean 20 years later I would remember it I mean I would think I remember it for you dance that's what I'm saying that's not sounding familiar to me at all I mean uh let me ask you I mean throughout your life you know would you remember the number of fights you've been involved in and I don't mean kind of like a bump or something just a physical fight with you everybody's hitting each other scratching pulling whatever maybe I mean I can't say I've been in a lot you know I played sports you know you get into scuffles there and you recall some of those right let me just we have to recall some LaVon okay yeah games get it yeah but like I said this you saying this this is just not ringing a bell I mean but you know I don't know what to tell you it's just that's just not ringing a bell to me it'd be something I would think I would remember I mean I'm not that if you're in this how do so - you're in this other girl's house and like words are exchanged I mean configured you recall I would think especially if they got physical right well I would think and it's related to you know a guy that you were dating and she's dating now you know yeah like a whole love triangle type of thing I mean you could you remember that right well I would think so a man will tell you no because I'm I mean I'm trying to I'm looking at the notes and people are kind of mean the point of the finger at you well I mean that's not ringing a bell to me so you know I don't know you know it's I I don't want to tell you I mean that just sounds crazy to me yeah so you have had you don't recall ever going into her house and having words and physically you know no I hadn't heard her attacking you no nothing like that no I mean that's no no no not at all well on some of the on this case you know this is occurred in 186 right detective process the scene things of that nature they did fingerprints and all that stuff and other thing when you know the standard you didn't been doing this longer than I have well about that I get 26 years on going on 26:19 so but you know as they processed everything they did the best they could at that time and they looked at a lot of a lot of people different things in this case and you're right if you guys are claiming that I'm a suspect then you know I got a problem with you know with that okay so you know if you're if you're doing this as an interrogation you're saying hey I'm a suspect well now I got a problem with what you know now you're accusing me of this is that what you're is that what you're saying we're trying to figure out what happened Stefan well I was you know I'm just saying do I need to get Laurie for accusing me a reason you know you don't have to I mean you know I'm here of your own free will no well I know but you know you're not you're not under arrest you can walk out you can leave whenever you like well you know I'm trying to give you some background of you know how I knew him and now you're telling me that some somebody's saying that we had this big old fight and I don't even know what you're talking about um you know and I don't want to you know get in trouble for something that I didn't even do or you're saying I did something okay we understand I mean how would you guys like it if the tables were turned on you I understand no no that's why we're telling you I mean you're free to go whenever you want if this makes you uncomfortable you want to go you're starting to make me uncomfortable the thing is I mean detectives did what they could at that time on the crime scene okay and the burglary thing you're talking about that is an angle that they looked at I go but now we're looking at everything else on the case because nobody was ever arrested on the case I don't know that or not now we'd like to do is obviously you know about all the DNA stuff and things of the nature that you know gets done on cases nowadays you know if we asked you for a DNA swab would you be willing to give us one maybe cuz now now now because now I'm thinking I probably need to talk to a lawyer I mean well I could I know how this stuff works okay don't get me wrong you're right I have been doing this long time and I wish I have been recording this because because now it sounds like you know there's you know you're selling these people say I'm fighting with her and now you sounds like you're trying to you know I've been doing this a long time we're no okay and now it almost sounds like you're trying to pin something on me now I got that sense what he gets to in these on these cases and you know it as well as I do our job is to identify and eliminate them I can't believe this so if we ask you to point it was a DNA sample a buccal swab so we can identify or eliminate you should be willing to do that maybe because I know this IIIi that's where we're at - I mean because right now from looking at the evidence it you know it's possible we may have some DNA at the location that's great and we're going to do what we can to try to put this thing together and your names in the book these people are pointing at you for whatever reason why that's just crazy I mean that's just that's absolutely crazy and it would be irresponsible and our part not to look at it I know you guys have to do your job and I guess someone have to contact somebody so that's fair I mean it because I know how this stuff works I mean I I just can't believe it that's okay we understand that I mean if we were in your position I mean we would feel the same way I just can't even believe it I mean it's just I mean I'm shocked I'm really shocked that somebody would be blamed saying that I did this I mean we had a fight so I went and killed her I mean come on oh that's okay well thanks for giving me the courage okay thanks for your time all right Stefan take care all right this is absolutely crazy in one second okay Stephanie you know you have the right to remain silent you understand yes anything you say may be used against your court do you understand yes you have the right to the presence of an attorney before and during any question do you understand if you cannot afford an attorney one will be appointed for you free of charge before any questioning if you want do you understand you want to talk to us right now all right okay this is crazy this is Hempton I'm like I'm like in shock I'm totally in shock

Channel: Susan Bahns

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Keywords: LAPD, Stephanie Lazarus, Interrogation

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Length: 72min 7sec (4327 seconds)

Published: Thu Nov 09 2017