AND GREG GUTFELD. IT IS 5:00 IN NEW YORK CITY, AND THIS IS "THE FIVE." DEMOCRAT ANXIETY OVER THE 2024 ELECTION IS REACHING A BOILING POINT. SOME TOP DEMOCRATS FEAR BY THE END CAMPAIGN MIGHT BE STUMBLING PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN. VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS REPORTEDLY TELLING THEM THAT SHE IS NOT WORRIED ABOUT LOSING TO DONALD TRUMP, BUT RATHER LOSING TO THE COUCH, WHICH REFERS TO VOTERS WHO MIGHT STAY HOME ON ELECTION DAY, AND OPERATION "DUMB JOKE" IS GROWING LOUDER. A "NEW YORK TIMES" COLUMNIST IS COOKING UP A BRAND-NEW WAY INTO BATING HIM TO STEP ASIDE. TELL HIM HE COULD BE A HERO. >> I THINK JOE BIDEN, AS PAINFUL AS THIS IS, SHOULD FIND HIS WAY TO STEPPING DOWN AS A HERO, THAT THE PARTY SHOULD HELP HIM. TO BE THE THING THAT HE SAID HE WOULD BE, THE BRIDGE TO THE NEXT GENERATION OF DEMOCRATS. AND IN AUGUST AT THE CONVENTION, DO WHAT POLITICAL PARTIES HAVE DONE SO MANY TIMES BEFORE. ORGANIZE VICTORY. >> Jeanine: ABOUT THE BIG GUY SHOWS NO SIGNS OF GOING AWAY, AND POPULAR RADIO HOST CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD IS ADDING MORE FUEL TO THE FIRE. HE'S CALLING OUT JOE BIDEN SPECIAL ABILITY TO BE MEDIOCRE. >> OF THE ASPIRING CANDIDATE. NOTHING ABOUT JOE BIDEN THAT MAKES YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO HIM. HE HAS NO MAIN CHARACTER ENERGY AT ALL. I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING TO DO WITH AGE. I THINK IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HIM. DONALD TRUMP, THREE OR FOUR YEARS YOUNGER, BUT HE JUST COMES UP A LOT MORE USEFUL. HE COMES OFF LIKE HE HAS A LOT MORE ENERGY. >> Jeanine: WHAT A BUNCH OF HISTORICAL MALARKEY. THE GROUP OF SELF-PROCLAIMED EXPERTS ON THE PRESIDENCY JUST RANKED JOE BIDEN AS THE 14TH THE BEST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY, WHILE GIVING TRUMP LAST PLACE. JESSE, I WANT TO GO TO YOU FIRST. "NO MAIN CHARACTER ENERGY." "NOTHING MAKES YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO HIM." "UNINSPIRING." CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD. IF A GUY LIKE HIM WOULD VOTE FOR HIM, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? >> Jesse: I THINK CHARLEMAGNE IS WIDER THAN GREG AT THIS POINT. THE MAIN CHARACTER ENERGY IS WHEN THE BORDER IS INVADED, WHEN VLADIMIR PUTIN GOES INTO UKRAINE, WHEN THE LIFE HERE GETS MORE EXPENSIVE. U.S. JOE BIDEN ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, AND HE'S LIKE I'M NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO YOU. I WILL GET IN TROUBLE. THAT IS NOT MAIN CHARACTER ENERGY. IT IS WHEN YOU GO TO A SNEAKER CON AND PEOPLE STARTED CHANTING "LET'S GO BRANDON." TALK TO PEOPLE. ACT LIKE YOU'RE ON TOP OF THINGS. JOE BIDEN IS NOT ON TOP OF ANYTHING. MAYBE ON TOP OF THE COUCH. I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT JOKE. BUT IT IS CLEAR THAT JOE BIDEN IS THE KIND OF GUY THAT THINGS HAPPEN TO YOU. HE DOES NOT MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM TO NOT RUN FOR REELECTION. WALK INTO ANY 80-YEAR-OLD MAN'S HOUSE AND TRY TO ADJUST THE THERMOSTAT. TRY TO CONVINCE YOUR GRANDFATHER THAT HE SHOULD DRIVE SOMEWHERE THE DAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING. GO TO SOMEONE'S HOUSE AT THAT AGE AND TELL THEM THAT BILL RUSSELL IS NOT AS GOOD AS MICHAEL JORDAN. THEY ARE SET IN THEIR WAYS. HE PROPOSED TO JILL FIVE TIMES, JANINE. THAT'S ABOUT AS STUBBORN A MAN AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY GET. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CONVINCE JOE BIDEN OF ANYTHING. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO TRICK HIM INTO BELIEVING HE IS RUNNING FOR REELECTION WHEN HE IS NOT REALLY RUNNING, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE THIS, IF YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT, YOU'VE ONLY KNOWN TWO DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT, REALLY. BILL CLINTON, BARACK OBAMA. THE FIRST AND SECOND BLACK PRESIDENT. THOSE TWO ARE INCREDIBLY CHARISMATIC. JOE BIDEN CANNOT DO THAT. JOE BIDEN DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT MAKES A HEARTBEAT. HE IS A POLITICAL RELIC. ARTIFACT FROM A BYGONE ERA, AND PEOPLE NOW REALIZE THAT, AND THEY WOULD RATHER HAVE A GUY THAT SHOWS A LITTLE MUSCLE THEN SOMEONE WHO HAS NONE. >> Jeanine: JESSICA, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY WEEK SOMETHING COMES OUT. "NEW YORK TIMES" EDITORIAL. CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD. JON FAVREAU. DON'T VOTE FOR THE GUY PURE YOUNG ENVIRONMENTALISTS DON'T WANT TO VOTE FOR HIM. AND I SPOKE TO A DOCTOR. HE SAID LOTS OF TIMES PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING FROM VARIOUS COGNITIVE ISSUES. THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THOSE COGNITIVE ISSUES, SO THEY BECOME EVEN MORE STUCK IN THEIR WAYS. >> Jessica: WE ARE ALL NOT DOCTORS, SO DEFINITELY NOT DIAGNOSING. OH, I'M SORRY, GREG. JOE BIDEN REGULARLY DOES SEE A TEAM OF DOCTORS, AND I THINK SOMEONE WOULD HAVE INFORMED HIM IF THERE WAS SOMETHING REALLY WRONG WITH HIM. THERE HAS DEFINITELY BEEN A PERCEPTIBLE SHIFT. DAVID AXELROD IS PART OF THE OBAMA ORBIT, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY ACTIVE CRITICIZING HIM. CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD WAS NOT ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT BIDEN GOING BACK TO 2020. THIS IS CONSISTENT. BUT THE REPORT SEEMS TO HAVE REALLY STRUCK A NERVE WITH PEOPLE. NOT THAT THEY NECESSARILY ARE SAYING I AM NOT GOING TO GO OUT AND VOTE FOR HIM, BUT THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT WE CANNOT IGNORE ANYMORE. AND I LISTENED DOOR I READ MOST OF EZRA KLEIN'S AUDIO ESSAY, AND I THINK HE MAKES A LOT OF REALLY GOOD POINTS, BUT WHAT JON FAVREAU HAS SAID IS ACTUALLY NOT THAT HE THINKS THAT JOE BIDEN IS TOO OLD TO DO THIS BUT THAT YOU CANNOT IGNORE THE VERACITY OF THESE CONCERNS HERE YOU CANNOT TELL VOTERS YOU ARE SILLY IS WONDERING IF HE IS TOO OLD. WHAT HAPPENS IF HE DOESN'T? THE KAMALA HARRIS QUESTION, BUT THE POINT HE BRINGS UP THAT I THINK IS SO CRUCIAL IS THAT IF WE "ORGANIZE VICTORY AT THE CONVENTION AND GIVE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE, IS THAT ACTUALLY A LESS RISKY PROPOSITION IN TERMS OF WINNING? WE HAVE THE STARS. GRETCHEN WHITMER. GAVIN NEWSOM WHO WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME FROM CALIFORNIA. ALL VERY BOLD AND EXCITING, DOING THINGS, THE RIGHT AGE, ET CETERA. THEY ARE NOT PROVEN QUANTITY IS. THEY HAVE NOT BEATEN DONALD TRUMP BEFORE. MAIN CHARACTER ENERGY, YES, IT IS A GREAT SAYING. BUT "MAIN CHARACTER ENERGY," IT IS BEING ABLE TO DELIVER 81 MILLION VOTES IN 2020 OR TO GET THIS LEGISLATION PASSED OR TO OVERSEE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL MIDTERMS FOR A PARTY NOT IN POWER IN THE HOUSE. THAT IS MAIN CHARACTER ENERGY. WE WANT TO WIN MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. BECAUSE HE IS THE GUY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO. >> Jeanine: YOU KNOW, DANA, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MAIN CHARACTER ENERGY, I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD DENY THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS NOT, BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT JOE BIDEN 2024, IT'S NOT THE JOE BIDEN OF 2020. WE HAVE SEEN A COGNITIVE DECLINE. IT IS NOT AGE. IT IS COGNITION. >> Dana: A VIDEO FROM 2020 BIDEN AND 2024, AND YOU WATCH BOTH, OKAY, THERE IS AN OBVIOUS DIFFERENCE. A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE REPORT, TO ME, BASICALLY GAVE THE COVERAGE, WHAT EVERYONE WAS WHISPERING ABOUT. THAT IS NOT THAT YOU HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT WING, GO THERE, TALK ABOUT HIS PROBLEMS, THE OTHER ONE THAT WE HAVE NOT MENTIONED, NATE SILVER. ANALYST. BIDEN NEEDS TO SHOW HE CAN HANDLE EASY, BASIC MEDIA OR STEP ASIDE. WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK? HE GAVE THE PRESS CONFERENCE. SAID THAT WAS NOT A GOOD IDEA. A STATEMENT IN WHICH HE PREVIOUS BY SAYING I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE QUESTIONS TODAY, BUT I WILL TAKE THEM TOMORROW. HE DID NOT TAKE THEM THE NEXT DAY OR ON THURSDAY. THEN HE WENT TO EAST PALESTINE ON FRIDAY. DID NOT HAVE A BIG PRESS CONFERENCE THERE, SO THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN AND SUPPORTERS HAVE BEEN WHISTLING PAST THE GRAVEYARD AS I TRY TO TELL YOU HE'S NOT TOO OLD. HE RUN CIRCLES AROUND US. THE BORDER IS CLOSED, NO PROBLEM THERE. NOT ONLY ARE THEY TRYING TO CONVINCE 86% OF AMERICANS, BUT TRYING TO DO ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. THEY MADE A BIG MISTAKE. THIS MORNING IT'S REPORTED THAT HIS TEAM BELIEVES THAT THE MARCN ADDRESS IS HIS CHANCE TO RESET THE NARRATIVE, AND DO YOU THINK RAISING EXPECTATIONS ON THAT PRIME TIME SPEECH IS A GOOD IDEA RIGHT NOW? BUT THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE IT. >> Jeanine: INSANE. GREG, I WAS CHECKING YOU OUT IN THE GREEN ROOM. I WAS. HERE'S THE ISSUE. I WAS LOOKING FOR THOSE GOLD SNEAKERS ON YOUR FEET. YOU DON'T HAVE THEM, DO YOU? >> Greg: NOT YET. THEY SOLD OUT. THAT JUST SHOWS YOU THAT YOU CAN GALVANIZE PEOPLE, THE MORE YOU PERSECUTE THEM. YOU KNOW WHAT JOE REMINDS ME OF? WHEN YOU'RE AT A HOTEL BAR WITH YOUR FRIENDS, AND THERE'S A GUY AT THE BAR THAT KIND OF WON'T LEAVE YOU ALONE AND THAT IS JUST OVERLY FRIENDLY AND HAS NO CLUE THAT HE IS ANNOYING YOU, AND THEN HE FOLLOWS YOU OUT. YOU HAVE TO KIND OF TELL HIM HEY, WE ARE GOING TO DINNER. NICE MEETING YOU, WHATEVER, BUT THEN HE FOLLOWS YOU, AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE A PLAN. LET'S PRETEND WE'RE ALL GOING TO BED, BUT THEN WE WILL MEET AT THE ROOFTOP BAR, AND THAT'S HOW YOU DITCH HIM, SO THEY HAVE TO DITCH JOE. IT IS NOT EVEN THAT HARD. HE'S ALREADY KIND OF CONFUSED. JUST TELL HIM THE CONVENTION IS THE NEXT DAY. SAY THAT IT IS EARLY IN THE MORNING. OH, THEY HAVE A MOCK ONE. HE WILL NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. BUT I DO NOT BUY THE CONCERN OVER HIS HEALTH AT ALL. THE ANXIETY FROM THE DEMOCRATS. BECAUSE IT'S NOT ABOUT HIM BEING INCAPACITATED. IT'S THAT HE'S GOING TO LOSE. IF YOU REMEMBER, INCAPACITATION DID NOT MATTER WHEN HE SHOWED UP TO THE DEBATE BECAUSE HE WAS AHEAD. THEY DID NOT CARE THAT IT WAS REALLY A SAD SIGHT TO BEHOLD. LUCKY FOR EVERYONE, HE RECOVERED, BUT NO CONCERN ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT HE WOULDN'T RECOVER, RIGHT? THEY WORRIED ABOUT IT LATER. THAT, TO ME, IS THE BIG PICTURE. NOT WHO IS PRESIDENT, BUT WHO WINS, BECAUSE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE JOE BIDEN WE KNEW AND TOLERATED IS NOT THE JOE BIDEN THAT RUNS THE COUNTRY. THIS CONGENIAL MODERATE BACK SLAPPER TURNED OUT TO BE THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL PROGRESSIVE AND RECENT HISTORY, AND HE DENIED RFK JR. SECRET SERVICE PROTECTION AFTER CLAIMING THAT HE WAS CLOSE FRIENDS WITH THE KENNEDY FAMILY. THIS IS NOT SOMEBODY IN CHARGE. SOMEBODY ELSE IS IN CHARGE, SO IT'S ALMOST AS IF WHETHER IT'S, DOWN THE KAMALA HARRIS, JOE, GAVIN, THEY'RE ALL IRRELEVANT. ENDING INTO THE WHITE HOUSE FIRST, THEN WHOEVER IS IN CONTROL WILL TAKE CARE OF THE REST, RIGHT? IF JOE WAS UP IN THE POLLS, THEY DON'T CARE -- THEY PROP THEM UP, BUT IT'S THE NUMBERS THAT ARE SCARING THEM. NOT HIS HEALTH. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. THEY CARE THAT THEY WILL BE OUT OF POWER. >> Jeanine: SHOULD JILL BE CONCERNED ABOUT HIS HEALTH? >> Greg: SHE SHOULD, BUT I HAVE NOT TALKED TO HER I